So I heard this server was good BUT...

[Monga]

I also heard that nearly all formulas were wrong, and people were doing twice or more the damage they're supposed to do in raids etc. Also heard a lot of other game mechanics are broken, as well as some events.

Basically i've heard from a few people is that since damage is so high, PVE is incredibly easy and people just blow through instances.

Can anyone confirm? this will determine if I bother playing... also said damage was wrong in pvp too.

Have you ever thought about playing retail? I think that is the best place for you to go.

[varth]

Crime, people in retail especially during MC and BWL had no idea about the BiS gear or the best strats and raid comps. Every guild had 4+ Prot tanks, so lost dps on fury offtanks, all raids used a lot of fr gear on Rag and full fr gear on Vael which is why killing Rag without sons was so rare. Downranking wasn't widely known for healers, what is known as the BiS gear now was largely ignored for set gear and epics, regardless of how good the epics actually were. Debuff slots were used for fucking everything, the only debuff that received attention was sunder. Add in the fact that there was no raid damage/healing trackers so it was very hard to find out who the shitters were and add that all up and no shit bosses are way easier now.

Nost content is insanely close to retail vanilla

[Youfie]

Nost content is insanely close to retail vanilla

Yes. Player base just isn't.

[Xef]

I just love the bullshit about vanilla players not being optimally speced or geared. Who do u think created the bis lists? Who do u think did the theory crafting on specs? You arrogant whelps that think you simply must be better because your able to.pull better numbers. Yes, the average guild on vanilla was pretty bad but ppl still wore bis gear and ppl still had the right specs. You couldnt kill vael without them.

The arrogance and frankly inability to think of private server players might mean you parse high but you still take dirtnaps that would get you gkicked on retail

Didn't read 100% of all the replies here, but I just want to agree with what you're saying.

I played in a casual friendly type of guild, and in 2006, the second I rolled a rogue I learned from the guild how to play one in PvE. All of that was form one guy who played as casually as you can play, but he knew everything there was to know about the class (rotations, gear, and he was always grinding for Rend's swords at that point etc.). And it was the same thing with most people in that quiet casual guild.

But ofc, that one video of Rag's first kill from the rogues pov, simply proves that people were neanderthal's during whole of vanilla.

And in b4 "but on feenix..."

[Stalk]

Sigh not sure what you tried to find but http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=23044 this weapon is not gonna do strong backstabs by any chance. 1.8> 1.6 Anyways this thread is created by a OP that is just bashing anything he sees is not what he would like to.

Special ability weapon damage should be normalized depending on the type of weapon (since patch 1.8.0). If it is not working this way on our server, then that would explain some of the ridiculously high melee damage numbers.

Instead of multiplying by the speed of the weapon, the attack power bonus is now multiplied by a fixed number pulled from the following table:

Two-handed weapons: 3.3
Daggers: 1.7
All other one-handed weapons: 2.4

[Tinkertown]

Special ability weapon damage should be normalized depending on the type of weapon (since patch 1.8.0).

It is normalized. That's why you don't see rogues with the shanker etc.

[Particles]

Special ability weapon damage should be normalized depending on the type of weapon (since patch 1.8.0). If it is not working this way on our server, then that would explain some of the ridiculously high melee damage numbers.

Yes, normalization is a thing. The base weapon damage is still added to your backstabs, which is why it was mentioned. Perdition's blade is higher damage than harbinger of doom, so the only reason that the rogue in the video would have higher damage backstabs than rogues on this server is more ap. I'm not sure if Gazpy understands this or thinks weapon speed actually affects backstab, but he was right anyway.

The lack of key buffs (like battleshout) and debuffs (Faerie Fire) make it not at all surprising that his backstabs do the same as current rogues on this server.

[Stalk]

Perdition's blade is higher damage than harbinger of doom, so the only reason that the rogue in the video would have higher damage backstabs than rogues on this server is more ap.

Harbinger of Doom has a higher damage per hit average than Perdition's Blade (due to the stats that it has).

[Druzzil]

I can't believe this has spanned 6 pages. It should have been over on page 2.

Yes, they values aren't correct but isn't related to damage or boss mitigation. It's related to the content patch that we are using. This will NEVER be like retail, as will be the case with almost every private server, because we cannot go back father than 1.12.1 and we will continue using talents that were not designed for this stage of the game. Hence, a bunch of mouth-breathers thinking everyone that loved Vanilla WoW has evolved into some sort of power-gamer with massive DPS.

It isn't 2005 anymore.

[Garfunkel]

Honestly I played before the rag nerf (Don't remember patch, zul gurub didn't exist, meaning you had to do molten core with shit gear from BRS/strath/scholo... meaning everyone's gear was crap. BWL literally came out as i had quit.

made it a lot harder.

Rag was nearly impossible without ZG gear pre-nerf.

But i've heard that this server and all servers in general are missing key raiding code, which makes it a little different experience.

You're full of shit as others have pointed out already.

My RP guild brought down Raggy before ZG came out - I remember it very well because it was the first time I participated in killing him and the ZG patch hit EU servers at the same time and I was super excited to do TWO different raids in the same week. Guess what? I was a PoM+Pyro mage. In MC. I certainly had no idea about BiS gear and the only consumables I used were few mana pots. We didn't bring DMF or Ony or DM buffs to raids. Nor did we use voice comms and we certainly had no streams or Youtube videos to watch to learn the strategies, though we did read the written strategy guides. Oh yeah and the whole raid was wearing FR gear during Ragnaros.

Yet we managed to clear ZG+AG20+MC+BWL and were well in our way through AQ40 by the time TBC came.

So yes, people are far more aware of how to play their classes properly nowadays AND we have 1.12 talents to play with instead of the fluctuating mess that was going on through vanilla.

I just love the bullshit about vanilla players not being optimally speced or geared. Who do u think created the bis lists? Who do u think did the theory crafting on specs? You arrogant whelps that think you simply must be better because your able to.pull better numbers. Yes, the average guild on vanilla was pretty bad but ppl still wore bis gear and ppl still had the right specs. You couldnt kill vael without them.

The arrogance and frankly inability to think of private server players might mean you parse high but you still take dirtnaps that would get you gkicked on retail

Didn't read 100% of all the replies here, but I just want to agree with what you're saying.

I played in a casual friendly type of guild, and in 2006, the second I rolled a rogue I learned from the guild how to play one in PvE. All of that was form one guy who played as casually as you can play, but he knew everything there was to know about the class (rotations, gear, and he was always grinding for Rend's swords at that point etc.). And it was the same thing with most people in that quiet casual guild.

But ofc, that one video of Rag's first kill from the rogues pov, simply proves that people were neanderthal's during whole of vanilla.

And in b4 "but on feenix..."

Do you guys also get angry that people don't ass-kiss ancient Romans for building such nice bridges back when Jesus was nailed to the cross when they marvel at the Golden Gate bridge?

That your guild had one rogue who knew all of the rogue stuff is great but it doesn't prove that all raiding rogues knew their stuff or even a majority of them.