How was Old Naxx40

[Guirssane]

cmon naxx isn't that hard nowdays, strat aren't really hard, the only thing hard is to manage 40 people.
Would've been funny the first time people did Thaddius tho.

"alright everybody let's group up on the boss, hey look Captain, we've got a weird debuff on ourselves, a plus and a minus. what does it mea... *dead*"

All I can say to this is just......wow

I'm just gonna leave this right here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBPHRlgczmk

here are your "statistic" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBPHRlgczmk

You are kinda late tho.
I repeat myself again and again, strat aren't that hard gosh. The thing that is really hard is to manage 40 people, get consu for everybody and shit. (sup grind fest how're you?) Alright I admit 4h was tricky, and loatheb was annoying if you didn't have enough dps or shadow pot and shit but you can't say strat were hard. They are some strat nowadays that are harder than naxxramass one in term of mechanics believe me.

[riq and snog]

Pvp>Pve kkthxbb

[Fluffnpuff]

Most raiders just plain sucked back then.
What was considered a "bad player" back then would today be considered a mental disorder in the latest DSM-manual, and players who were the best of the best players around back then, are today just "Pretty OK" players

To raid in Vanilla you really only need like 15 people to know what is going on, and the rest can just do basically whatever. Dunno how much this applied to Naxx back then, though.

[sloasdaylight]

Most raiders just plain sucked back then.
What was considered a "bad player" back then would today be considered a mental disorder in the latest DSM-manual, and players who were the best of the best players around back then, are today just "Pretty OK" players

To raid in Vanilla you really only need like 15 people to know what is going on, and the rest can just do basically whatever. Dunno how much this applied to Naxx back then, though.

If you think you could clear anything other than some trash with 15 people knowing what they were doing in Naxx you're sorely mistaken.

[Garfunkel]

When your guild had multiple members with T2-sets but you still farmed MC for few drops, you could survive with 15 people knowing what they are doing and the rest slacking off.

My guild (Moonglade-EU) was in AQ40 when the Christmas holidays hit and the leadership called a halt to raiding as BC was just around the corner, so I never got to properly experience Naxx in its full glory, though we did few trial runs to gauge the trash mobs. Then at 70, I led a few nostalgia/PuG-raids in there and we got our asses kicked hard - so I agree with others that say it's all about coordination for the 40 raiders, which obviously is almost nonexistent in a PuG.

Having said that, I sincerely doubt that Naxx will be much easier in 2015 than it was back in 2006. By the time your guild got in there, everyone should have been well skilled in their class and in raiding in general thanks to BWL and especially AQ40. So it's not like every raider back in 2006 was a retarded scrub, even if there were no fancy Youtube videos with diagrams showing you what to do at every exact moment.

[sloasdaylight]

When your guild had multiple members with T2-sets but you still farmed MC for few drops, you could survive with 15 people knowing what they are doing and the rest slacking off.

My guild (Moonglade-EU) was in AQ40 when the Christmas holidays hit and the leadership called a halt to raiding as BC was just around the corner, so I never got to properly experience Naxx in its full glory, though we did few trial runs to gauge the trash mobs. Then at 70, I led a few nostalgia/PuG-raids in there and we got our asses kicked hard - so I agree with others that say it's all about coordination for the 40 raiders, which obviously is almost nonexistent in a PuG.

Having said that, I sincerely doubt that Naxx will be much easier in 2015 than it was back in 2006. By the time your guild got in there, everyone should have been well skilled in their class and in raiding in general thanks to BWL and especially AQ40. So it's not like every raider back in 2006 was a retarded scrub, even if there were no fancy Youtube videos with diagrams showing you what to do at every exact moment.

You wouldn't survive Locust Storm on Anub'Rehkan with 25 people in your raid slacking off.
You couldn't do Raz with 25 people in your raid slacking off.
You'd get destroyed on Maexxna if you had 25 people in your raid slacking off, not rounding up adds or not DPSing cocoons.
Getting past Patchwerk with more than half your raid dicking around awarded you a wipe every single time.
If your melee fucked around on Grobbulus and didn't pick up the slimes in a timely manner, there was a wipe.
The Heigan dance would wipe your raid.

[Zach]

cmon naxx isn't that hard nowdays, strat aren't really hard, the only thing hard is to manage 40 people.
Would've been funny the first time people did Thaddius tho.

"alright everybody let's group up on the boss, hey look Captain, we've got a weird debuff on ourselves, a plus and a minus. what does it mea... *dead*"

All I can say to this is just......wow

I'm just gonna leave this right here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBPHRlgczmk

That video is so insanely stupid. "OMG YOU HAD TO DO T1 AND T2 BEFORE YOU COULD DO T3" Duh? What the fuck? Besides that if you actually had 40 people in full BWL/AQ40 gear you could clear more than half of Naxx40 without any consumables. And since fucking when do people not use consumables in retail right now? Huh?

[tosheybellamy]

Hell you can't even kill Lucifron with "half raid slacking" lol. I dare you to try it on Nostalrius with casual gear and 8 debuffs max. PLEASE, GO AHEAD AND KILL LUCIFRON WITH HALF RAID SLACKING! Make a video! And I'll grant you tree wishes lol!

Basically the "only half the raid needs to stay focused" applies only for BWL/AQ geared people carrying newbs in MC. Naxx needs a whole new level of focus - it's simple - you don't pay attention - you die. What do you think is going to happen when the polarity changes on Thaddius and negative charged people stay on spot with positive charged incoming.

[TheLockKing]

cmon naxx isn't that hard nowdays, strat aren't really hard, the only thing hard is to manage 40 people.
Would've been funny the first time people did Thaddius tho.

"alright everybody let's group up on the boss, hey look Captain, we've got a weird debuff on ourselves, a plus and a minus. what does it mea... *dead*"

All I can say to this is just......wow

I'm just gonna leave this right here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBPHRlgczmk

That video is so insanely stupid. "OMG YOU HAD TO DO T1 AND T2 BEFORE YOU COULD DO T3" Duh? What the fuck? Besides that if you actually had 40 people in full BWL/AQ40 gear you could clear more than half of Naxx40 without any consumables. And since fucking when do people not use consumables in retail right now? Huh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbQVaupPS80

[Guirssane]

Basically the "only half the raid needs to stay focused" applies only for BWL/AQ geared people carrying newbs in MC. Naxx needs a whole new level of focus - it's simple - you don't pay attention - you die. What do you think is going to happen when the polarity changes on Thaddius and negative charged people stay on spot with positive charged incoming.

"alright everybody let's group up on the boss, hey look Captain, we've got a weird debuff on ourselves, a plus and a minus. what does it mea... *dead*"