So I heard this server was good BUT...

[Diametra]

Ask whichever "friend" it was who related the facts to you...to give you the proofs you desire. No one here is going to care whether the server is good enough for you to level up and play on....seriously. ha. How many dudes come rolling in here with their crap.

[Tinkertown]

I can't believe this has spanned 6 pages. It should have been over on page 2.

Yes, they values aren't correct but isn't related to damage or boss mitigation. It's related to the content patch that we are using. This will NEVER be like retail, as will be the case with almost every private server, because we cannot go back father than 1.12.1 and we will continue using talents that were not designed for this stage of the game. Hence, a bunch of mouth-breathers thinking everyone that loved Vanilla WoW has evolved into some sort of power-gamer with massive DPS.

It isn't 2005 anymore.

Warriors got their big revamp in 1.6 (the patch we are currently in, according to the timeline), so the difference between them now and then should be really marginal. Unless I'm missing something big, in that case please feel free to enlighten me.

[Youfie]

I can't believe this has spanned 6 pages. It should have been over on page 2.

Yes, they values aren't correct but isn't related to damage or boss mitigation. It's related to the content patch that we are using. This will NEVER be like retail, as will be the case with almost every private server, because we cannot go back father than 1.12.1 and we will continue using talents that were not designed for this stage of the game. Hence, a bunch of mouth-breathers thinking everyone that loved Vanilla WoW has evolved into some sort of power-gamer with massive DPS.

It isn't 2005 anymore.

Warriors got their big revamp in 1.6 (the patch we are currently in, according to the timeline), so the difference between them now and then should be really marginal. Unless I'm missing something big, in that case please feel free to enlighten me.

The fact that +hit from Gear / Talent couldn't counteract the +19% Miss from dual-wielding until 1.8 certainly changed a lot for Fury Warriors.

[Setup]

Pretty much all the classes are way better because they have 1.12 talents.

There's a small handful of items that shouldn't be in the game that are, but for the most part, things are rolled back appropriately.

There's a small handful of 'bugs' and balance changes that occurred on retail that haven't been recreated here. (Combat rezzing, jujus for alliance, etc.)

For the most part, I would call this realm an excellent recreation of vanilla. Superior in some ways, even!

[Fanadin]

Looks like I've started a bit of a firestorm here, not really my intention.

From those saying I'm full of shit etc, my memory is pretty good. I was there, I really doubt the people saying I'm full of shit were playing back then.

In general, those saying that "We downed rag blah blah blah pre-nerf", I highly doubt it.

I can't exactly remember what patch he was nerfed, but it was before BWL was released, or it may have been the same patch, but i don't think so. Dire maul had just came out I believe.

And yes I agree with others, things were easier in patch 1.12 relative to earlier patches, there were more instances (20 man) to gain some pretty strong items, easily, and there were many other class changes that made them stronger.

In general, cheers. In my limited experience playing here, the server seems good, feels like classic wow, not a bunch of spammers in russian or china gold farmers.

Well done.

[candyb]

itt: people who can't see a troll when it's in front of them

[Fanadin]

itt: people who can't see a troll when it's in front of them

You seem like a smart person, please explain to me how I am trolling.

[candyb]

What about you explaining how you're not trolling? 5-10 sentences would be enough for me.

[Tinkertown]

Pretty much all the classes are way better because they have 1.12 talents.

There's a small handful of items that shouldn't be in the game that are, but for the most part, things are rolled back appropriately.

There's a small handful of 'bugs' and balance changes that occurred on retail that haven't been recreated here. (Combat rezzing, jujus for alliance, etc.)

For the most part, I would call this realm an excellent recreation of vanilla. Superior in some ways, even!

Calling them 1.12 talents is slightly misleading, even if not intended as such. It makes it sound like talents got a huge buff in the very end of vanilla. That simply wasn't the case, it was a slow process and they started with the classes that they thought were in most dire need of trees that made more sense.

1.6 (BWL patch)
Warlock talent trees revamped
Warrior talent trees revamped

1.7 (ZG patch)
Hunter Talent update

1.8 (Green Dragon patch)
Druid Talent update.

1.9 (AQ patch)
Paladin Talent Revamp

1.10 (Tier 0.5 patch)
Priest talent revamp

1.11 (Naxx patch)
Mage adjustments and talent revamp
Shaman adjustments and talent revamp

1.12 (Cross-realm BG patch)
Rogue adjustments and talent revamp

While I'm sure that there were fixes and small buffs along the way that slightly boosted output, when people talk about the 1.12 talents, one should know that a lot of classes had those talent trees for the vast majority of vanilla.

[Fanadin]

What about you explaining how you're not trolling? 5-10 sentences would be enough for me.

Troll - One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument

Not my intention, nor have I caused disruption to anything, I'm not making up bullshit, I'm 28 years old and have a master's degree in engineering, I make 6 figures a year, don't need to troll people, it gives me no pleasure.

I was simply asking around to get a feel of what others thought, again, the point of a forum.

good day.

Also, to the guy above posting patch changes, thank you.

The rag nerf is not listed there, nor anywhere, but it happened.