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Re: Baggenxd from the guild <HONORUS> ninja'd foror's

by Aliriya » Sat Jan 09, 2016 4:41 pm

Syrma wrote:Actually no Aliriya, BoP case is diametrically different.

As for BoE, I have already explained how that works.

But for BoP the value of one item might and often is much greater than the value of the vendoring/disenchanting price. For example a Turban's value cannot be quantified in gold for spellcasters, because you cannot acquire that item any other way than by winning a roll. Ofcourse you can say, that the people not needing on such an item are losing gold, but the value is what matters here. As for BoE items acquirable on AH, both parties lose/gain the same amount of gold, as for BoP items on person gains 1-10g and the other loses probably hundreds/thousands gold, by having to do the instance over and over again, in which time he could have farmed consumables, gold, other items. I don't know why this is so difficult to understand for you people, but sometimes you gotta let go and just admit that you are wrong.

Let me give you an example from real life. Let's say you have a girlfriend you want to propose to. One day you walk on a sidewalk and spot a diamond ring lying on the ground, but one other person spots it too. You both rush to it and grab it at the same time. Does the fact, that you want to propose to your girlfriend gives you any more right to the ring than the other guy, just because he doesn't have a girlfriend and just wants to sell it? If your answer is yes, I'd advise you to seek a help from a proffessional counselor.

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The problem with your argument is that 1-10g is worth same to everyone, which is false. One individual may value his 5g from item more than an item, and since its subjective it cannot be defined in raw value.

You can always pay actual money to have someone boost you through instance and have it reserved... right?

And as for your example:

1st: We did not ''group'' up with this random dude to go searching for loot on the ground so thats first inconsistency

If we would it would be only fair so that the one for MS (wedding) gets the ring first and OS (potential wedding) gets the ring second. But as we all know girlfriends are not soulbound as they may come and go I would reconsider using the ring at all :P

2nd the problem of your logic is you are trying to collectively use excuse of user time to get something gold vs repeating of instance farming for your loot. The other user has to repeatedly do stuff to earn gold also you know. And if he loses 10 min for 5g who are you to call him a ninja if before you defended the guy needing for gold.... The random guy in party is nothing to him, just a stranger, but 5g is his progression loot to buy from AH, cos some douche needed on Furors... his hours to get the item mean nothing to him, just his 5g

Hence 5g has higher value than strangers time right? To me it sure does. To me i lose X minutes of my time if i pass on any BOP of certain value... thats the economic way you are proposing for BOEs I just extended it overall...

Time is money my friend.


So tell me: What is worth more, if someone unknown not benefiting anything to your progression gets Turban in UBRS or if you get 5g and can buy Furors 5min sooner? :) If you say the unknown stranger not benefiting your progressiong then you know what, you are lying. The point is, everything is clearly subjective, especially the value of either BOE or BOP items. And you cannot say, that value is higher on one side, since you cannot objectively define such value except with gold, but once gold is taken in account as you did on BOEs you always have one getting X gold and another losing X gold, regardless of BOE/BOP debate. For Warrior turban is worth 5g and thats it, but for someone else its worth 100g for example....

This is why everytime MS>OS is warranted.... not to mention some classes 300g = X hours some others 300g = XY hours.... so again different value in terms of time.
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Re: Baggenxd from the guild <HONORUS> ninja'd foror's

by Ixpreyk » Sat Jan 09, 2016 5:44 pm

Ninjas are gonna be forever in WoW Vanilla but is so sad to see threads like this. Well, at least now I know I don't have to trust that user. Thanks for the post and have luck farming the book again =)
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Re: Baggenxd from the guild <HONORUS> ninja'd foror's

by Niko » Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:05 pm

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Re: Baggenxd from the guild <HONORUS> ninja'd foror's

by sownu » Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:12 pm

The problem with your argument is that 1-10g is worth same to everyone, which is false. One individual may value his 5g from item more than an item, and since its subjective it cannot be defined in raw value.

You can always pay actual money to have someone boost you through instance and have it reserved... right?

And as for your example:

1st: We did not ''group'' up with this random dude to go searching for loot on the ground so thats first inconsistency

If we would it would be only fair so that the one for MS (wedding) gets the ring first and OS (potential wedding) gets the ring second. But as we all know girlfriends are not soulbound as they may come and go I would reconsider using the ring at all :P

2nd the problem of your logic is you are trying to collectively use excuse of user time to get something gold vs repeating of instance farming for your loot. The other user has to repeatedly do stuff to earn gold also you know. And if he loses 10 min for 5g who are you to call him a ninja if before you defended the guy needing for gold.... The random guy in party is nothing to him, just a stranger, but 5g is his progression loot to buy from AH, cos some douche needed on Furors... his hours to get the item mean nothing to him, just his 5g

Hence 5g has higher value than strangers time right? To me it sure does. To me i lose X minutes of my time if i pass on any BOP of certain value... thats the economic way you are proposing for BOEs I just extended it overall...

Time is money my friend.


So tell me: What is worth more, if someone unknown not benefiting anything to your progression gets Turban in UBRS or if you get 5g and can buy Furors 5min sooner? :) If you say the unknown stranger not benefiting your progressiong then you know what, you are lying. The point is, everything is clearly subjective, especially the value of either BOE or BOP items. And you cannot say, that value is higher on one side, since you cannot objectively define such value except with gold, but once gold is taken in account as you did on BOEs you always have one getting X gold and another losing X gold, regardless of BOE/BOP debate. For Warrior turban is worth 5g and thats it, but for someone else its worth 100g for example....

This is why everytime MS>OS is warranted.... not to mention some classes 300g = X hours some others 300g = XY hours.... so again different value in terms of time.


Try not to think too much, you might hurt yourself.

Point is that BoP, just for example, might be worth 300g to one person and 5g to rest, while BoE is equally valuable for all party members.
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Re: Baggenxd from the guild <HONORUS> ninja'd foror's

by Aliriya » Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:21 pm

sownu wrote:Try not to think too much, you might hurt yourself.

Point is that BoP, just for example, might be worth 300g to one person and 5g to rest, while BoE is equally valuable for all party members.


Why would BOE be equally valuable, if time to farm money is not equal for everyone :)

Fact is Main spec > Off spec regardless of item condition (BOP/BOE) anything else is just excuses for ninja looters or people who would like to be.

Just like a person can farm 300gold to buy Furor and spend lets say 5 hours of life on that gold farming, so can the guy who wants Turban, spend 5 hours working in real life and pay 50€ to group to boost him over UBRS for Turban till he gets it. Both is money and time. Lets not discriminate then.
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Re: Baggenxd from the guild <HONORUS> ninja'd foror's

by ceen2 » Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:33 pm

Thx for the info, I will watch out and dont grp or invite anyone from this ninja guild.
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Re: Baggenxd from the guild <HONORUS> ninja'd foror's

by Thatoneguy » Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:47 pm

Aliriya wrote:
sownu wrote:Fact is Main spec > Off spec regardless of item condition (BOP/BOE) anything else is just excuses for ninja looters or people who would like to be.


Fact is that's not a fact.

Unless all members present agreed on a looting rule, there are no looting rules.
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Re: Baggenxd from the guild <HONORUS> ninja'd foror's

by sownu » Sat Jan 09, 2016 7:01 pm

Why would BOE be equally valuable, if time to farm money is not equal for everyone


Dont think of it as BoE, think of it as gold dropped. 300g dropped. Why should any one person get priority ?
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Re: Baggenxd from the guild <HONORUS> ninja'd foror's

by Aliriya » Sat Jan 09, 2016 8:12 pm

sownu wrote:
Why would BOE be equally valuable, if time to farm money is not equal for everyone


Dont think of it as BoE, think of it as gold dropped. 300g dropped. Why should any one person get priority ?


As i said, then everything should be needed, why should i let 5g go away on MS roll if i need gold :)
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Re: Baggenxd from the guild <HONORUS> ninja'd foror's

by farrsa » Sat Jan 09, 2016 8:14 pm

Aliriya wrote:
sownu wrote:
Why would BOE be equally valuable, if time to farm money is not equal for everyone


Dont think of it as BoE, think of it as gold dropped. 300g dropped. Why should any one person get priority ?


As i said, then everything should be needed, why should i let 5g go away on MS roll if i need gold :)


cuz theres petty gold and theres big gold! big money
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