I think the biggest point to be taken from all of this, is GMs need to stop PERMA bans, especially with stuff like this. Perma bans should be reserved for gold sellers, botters, teleport hackers, repeat offenders, etc. Not people who apparently exploited a "bug" (if you can even call it that,) that existed on retail. C'mon guys this is SO CLEARLY something you should warn for not INSTANT PERMA BAN.
Very unprofessional management like this is driving my desire to quit this server and move on to better things. No point in spending literally months of time improving a character if it can all be taken away WITHOUT WARNING for something I might not even realize I'm doing.
there NEEDS to be a proper dialogue about this from the staff. Not just a single reply saying we need to "stop overreacting." Listen to your community and what it's telling you...
Warnings exist for a reason, use them.
Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts
Re: Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts
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Scamp
- Senior Sergeant
Re: Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts
Start recording your play whenever you have to do a farm session so can slap the truth in their faces, for your innocence. In a game, as previously stated, designed around relentless grinding and farming. Sad times for Nost.
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Xylon666Darkstar
- Knight-Lieutenant
Re: Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts
DeeMarie wrote:Druzzil wrote:Here's the real question that needs to be asked but isn't being asked:
Are any of us really surprised this happened? I mean it's not as if they promised they would start communicating more than what we've got now.
I don't think anyone except those who got banned are surprised. Problem is, the server has so many cheerleaders who ululate when this happens nothing will change. It's a free server ad nauseam.
Seriously. Free server, weeeeeeeeeee.
I just don't understand the shock value of this. Like is anyone seriously upset? After all the initial unwarranted bans everyone should have understood that this was the way the server operates and by playing here they were risking losing all their hard work for something ambiguous.
Still not sure why everyone stayed here after all of this was so evident. I mean - GRIZZLY is starting to look like they spoke a prophecy. I, for one, am glad I adhered.
Server first Industrial Shaman.
- Druzzil
- Senior Sergeant
Re: Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts
My mining rogue is one of the ones that did NOT get banned. My hearth for that char is in Silithus, and I use it to mine the hives when i am not doing something else. If you've noticed i've been active on this subject that's why. So I thought I would objectively provide some additional facts since it might help here.
I went back in and did some mining yesterday and today, trusting in the Daemon's assertion that the problem has been fixed, and that people who mine now can do so safely.
On worker mob agro: The workers (they look like beetles) never agro on you, no matter whether they are red or yellow. They also do not agro if they are standing right on top of you while mining a node.
This works the same before and after the fix.
On non-worker mob agro: The reavers, etc. elites will agro on you of course if you are in range. A rogue can blind, gouge, etc. and mine, vanish, prep, repeat, etc. and mine anyway. These mobs also pat, and they will often pat out of agro range so you can often mine without using these cooldowns. There are only a few nodes where it is absolutely required.
This works the same before and after the fix.
On accessibility: A rogue can reach and mine every node. A druid can reach a large percentage of them easily. Other well geared classes can also reach a subset. Every node can be solo mined by rogues, and a subset by other classes.
That works the same before and after the fix.
On spawn time: Before the fix, Ooze-covered Thorium Veins spawned exactly 45 minutes after the last hit on it. This seems to be changed (although I haven't tested it thoroughly) I notice that the nodes seem to appear more 'randomly' though; that is closely linked nodes do not spawn close to the same time, which would happen before because they would always be mined together.
This seems to have changed.
On node locations: They are exactly the same both before and after the fix. No changes at all there.
On node availability: Before the fix, nodes were somewhat hard to come by at certain times of the day due to "industrial level" mining. After the fix, nodes are still hard to come by, but appear more randomly. It does seem like it's easier to mine however. I do actually like this change, by the way, because it seems to be more fair to all the miners there.
On mining there now: It feels pretty much exactly the same as before, at least for me. The only difference that I notice is the locations of live nodes seems more "random." And it seems like it's less likely to run into a competing rogue when you find a node (but it does still happen). Nodes are still pretty scarce as there are lots of miners still operating.
On knowing about some 'bug': I mined these myself starting several weeks ago when I dropped 300 herbalism (bcuz, no herbs!) for mining. I had no idea that these mines weren't working exactly as intended - after all 45 minutes spawn is quite a while, and reasonable. Many other spawns types are deterministic on this server, and nearly everything on every private server I've played has a deterministic spawn time for everything. I played retail since November 2004, but never mined Silithus at the time, so do not know if it was deterministic back then. I don't know if any other miners suspected a bug, whether they are in the banned set or are not. I just know that I suspected nothing amiss.
On how many accounts were banned: I saw lots of rogues continuing to mine Silithus today, both Alliance and Horde. By no means was "every rogue mining Silithus" banned. The ones I spoke to didn't even know that there had been a ban.
On my own activity (e.g. why was I not banned?): I mined there, but never systematically constructed a looped route and counted on the 45 minute timer to arrive at each node in the loop just before spawn. But I certainly THOUGHT about doing that, as it seemed like it might be an efficient way to mine. At no point did I think it would be any kind of exploit. I also never mined for more than a hour or so at a time (too boring). Also, I took a break for the past couple weeks to concentrate more on work. So I think I was just lucky, or not industrial strength enough.
TLDR: Just trying to provide some factual data from the perspective of someone who actually mines there.
I went back in and did some mining yesterday and today, trusting in the Daemon's assertion that the problem has been fixed, and that people who mine now can do so safely.
On worker mob agro: The workers (they look like beetles) never agro on you, no matter whether they are red or yellow. They also do not agro if they are standing right on top of you while mining a node.
This works the same before and after the fix.
On non-worker mob agro: The reavers, etc. elites will agro on you of course if you are in range. A rogue can blind, gouge, etc. and mine, vanish, prep, repeat, etc. and mine anyway. These mobs also pat, and they will often pat out of agro range so you can often mine without using these cooldowns. There are only a few nodes where it is absolutely required.
This works the same before and after the fix.
On accessibility: A rogue can reach and mine every node. A druid can reach a large percentage of them easily. Other well geared classes can also reach a subset. Every node can be solo mined by rogues, and a subset by other classes.
That works the same before and after the fix.
On spawn time: Before the fix, Ooze-covered Thorium Veins spawned exactly 45 minutes after the last hit on it. This seems to be changed (although I haven't tested it thoroughly) I notice that the nodes seem to appear more 'randomly' though; that is closely linked nodes do not spawn close to the same time, which would happen before because they would always be mined together.
This seems to have changed.
On node locations: They are exactly the same both before and after the fix. No changes at all there.
On node availability: Before the fix, nodes were somewhat hard to come by at certain times of the day due to "industrial level" mining. After the fix, nodes are still hard to come by, but appear more randomly. It does seem like it's easier to mine however. I do actually like this change, by the way, because it seems to be more fair to all the miners there.
On mining there now: It feels pretty much exactly the same as before, at least for me. The only difference that I notice is the locations of live nodes seems more "random." And it seems like it's less likely to run into a competing rogue when you find a node (but it does still happen). Nodes are still pretty scarce as there are lots of miners still operating.
On knowing about some 'bug': I mined these myself starting several weeks ago when I dropped 300 herbalism (bcuz, no herbs!) for mining. I had no idea that these mines weren't working exactly as intended - after all 45 minutes spawn is quite a while, and reasonable. Many other spawns types are deterministic on this server, and nearly everything on every private server I've played has a deterministic spawn time for everything. I played retail since November 2004, but never mined Silithus at the time, so do not know if it was deterministic back then. I don't know if any other miners suspected a bug, whether they are in the banned set or are not. I just know that I suspected nothing amiss.
On how many accounts were banned: I saw lots of rogues continuing to mine Silithus today, both Alliance and Horde. By no means was "every rogue mining Silithus" banned. The ones I spoke to didn't even know that there had been a ban.
On my own activity (e.g. why was I not banned?): I mined there, but never systematically constructed a looped route and counted on the 45 minute timer to arrive at each node in the loop just before spawn. But I certainly THOUGHT about doing that, as it seemed like it might be an efficient way to mine. At no point did I think it would be any kind of exploit. I also never mined for more than a hour or so at a time (too boring). Also, I took a break for the past couple weeks to concentrate more on work. So I think I was just lucky, or not industrial strength enough.
TLDR: Just trying to provide some factual data from the perspective of someone who actually mines there.
The pizza level in my bloodstream is dangerously low.
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Mopar
- Sergeant Major
Re: Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts
You were lucky you didn't mine at this one specific date, because that's probably how they selected the obvious "exploiters"
- nostplz
- Tester
Re: Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts
Do you remember what date that was? Just out of curiosity.
The pizza level in my bloodstream is dangerously low.
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Mopar
- Sergeant Major
Re: Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts
I was lvl 58 with my hunter, it was like 2/2.5 weeks ago. I honestly cant remeber the exact date since nothing special happend that day
- nostplz
- Tester
Re: Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts
I heard of people getting banned for giving gold to friends, my mate is level 60 soon and I was going to lend him 600g for his mount, should I refrain just in case?
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yxy
- Sergeant
Re: Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts
You should probably make 60 different accounts so that you can send each one 10g. Then you send it to the person of your choice! Just to be on the safe side of course...
- nostplz
- Tester
Re: Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts
yxy wrote:I heard of people getting banned for giving gold to friends, my mate is level 60 soon and I was going to lend him 600g for his mount, should I refrain just in case?
People who said they "only gave gold to a friend / another account" were lying. They always try to feign innocence.
The level of whining about bans on the forums is at an all time industrial level.
- Vorfidus
- Stone Guard
