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please Clarify Dual (multi) boxing for me guys!

PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:14 pm
by Ptoad
Hi Guys, hope you are all well!

First I heard about this server (and it looks great!), but have been following Kronos for a while...
Anyway, back in Vanilla Retail I paid for 2 accounts. I wasn't alone. Now, I heartily agree with banning ANY 3rd party software that enables a player to control more than one toon at once... I plan on having a priest (tailor, enchanter) following my main till lvl 20, then sitting his arse down in Org till I hit 60 on said main.
Doing this actually slows down the lvling rate on the main... I mean it's pretty well just "/FOLLOW"... but i like playing most of the classes, and lvling most of the professions.

Blizzard was ok with it
Kronos will permanently ban aforementioned "key-bind" software and other hacks, but will allow Alt-Tabbing
Will you guys?

Re: please Clarify Dual (multi) boxing for me guys!

PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:00 pm
by Switchblade
first, multiboxing seems allowed on Kronos, it is botting which is forbidden.

quote from their list of violations :

Using automated software for unmanned playing on the server
- It is forbidden to use any third-side applications and/or programs which can perform actions such as fishing, levelling up a character, mining, collecting herbs etc. without having to be controlled by a player. Multibox is allowed since it does not fit this definition.
- Violating this rule might result in banning the player’s IP address.


On nostalrius you can alt-tab two account but not multiboxing with third party program.

Re: please Clarify Dual (multi) boxing for me guys!

PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:01 pm
by Ptoad
Thanks for the reply! It's good to know because I am an Altaholic, lol.

Think "without having to be controlled by a player" pretty much DEFINES keybind software tho. Don't wanna start a debate whether Kronos does this or that here on a forum tho... mainly because I RESPECT that you are passionate about THIS server... and that's a GOOD thing!

i am eagerly awaiting more news re: launch date HERE, as Character Auctions and even vanity shop items piss me off!

See you in game i hope!

Re: please Clarify Dual (multi) boxing for me guys!

PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:27 pm
by Askental
Viper wrote:How about multi-boxing and bots ?
Definition of multi-boxing : Multiboxing is a term used mostly in MMORPGs to refer to playing as multiple separate characters simultaneously, with or without additional programs.
Multi-boxing and bots are forbidden on our server, as it can impact others players moods and the global economy.

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Re: please Clarify Dual (multi) boxing for me guys!

PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:32 am
by Ptoad
Askental, that is exactly why I joined the forums and made my post!

Again, I think an alt-tab thing (which really has very diminishing returns and is useless outside of early lvls) is fairly benign. but the real point is: I (and many others, for enchanter alts and bankers mostly... and ok... low lvl health batteries) did it in retail. In Vanilla you could DE ANYTHING regardless of your skill lvl, and having a banker near an auction house was a source of market information for your guild.

A LOT of players in early (pre-DM release Cenarion Circle anyway) created alts and yes, a second account because they we're either fascinated by, or confused about different classes and mainly professions.

Might seem pretty Geeky, but It's how I remember loving Vanilla, and I would like a definitive answer to my question .

Ty for your reply, Hope I see you in game!

Re: please Clarify Dual (multi) boxing for me guys!

PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 1:01 am
by Askental
I think what he meant is that having an enchanting alt is tolerated (does not really qualify as "playing" the game simultaneously..?) but having a priest following your warrior, and alt tabbing to use renew every minute, is not. A definitive and extensive reply would be great for sure.
There is no need to justify yourself btw! :D I guess private servers tend to be more restrictive about this because it is a lot more common (no costs, no fancy gaming rig required, etc...)

Re: please Clarify Dual (multi) boxing for me guys!

PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 2:29 am
by Drain
If the second character is in follow mode or standing around worthlessly until tabbed to and given a command, then both characters are not in control at the same time. This is "multiboxing", but not illegal or unethical multiboxing(per Blizzard's ToS), as long as only one character is being controlled at one time. But some people define the second as the entire definition for the word. You could argue that it's still lore breaking, unfair, unethical, unrealistic, etc, to do anything combat related(or run them at all), but using Blizzard's original rules(in the ToS); it didn't matter how many you ran at once, or what you did with them, as long as no bot or "third party program"(Anything that's not the game client) was used to control them. A player could only control one at a time legitimately without such a program.

Of course, they didn't actually enforce their own rules, so it didn't really matter. You could quote the ToS to their own face and the guy you're reporting that's 5 boxing bot soloing dungeons/arenas would not be punished. They opted instead to just take the extra money from people doing it(sells out, as always). You see, on retail, doing this meant doubling up your WoW costs, buying boxes+subs for each account. They probably enjoyed that extra money. I bet to this day players still do it freely, especially since most expansions have now been rolled into a single cheap purchase. You mainly just have to pay for the stacked subs.

On a private server, it would be much more problematic because there's no extra cost to stacking accounts and running WoW at this point on an old patch is not exactly taxing on modern computers. I could probably run 5 of these myself if I wanted to, just reduce the resolution/graphics of all the extra boxes then let whatever program is playing them worry go to work. But I am against such cheats. I only use a second character in legitimate ways(alt tabbing). Ultimately however, it's up to the server to decide what they allow or don't allow. A server writes its own ToS and decides what to enforce. They could say "NO" to any notion of even having more than 1 character logged in at once, or allow it if it is not used in any combat related way(such as healing yourself). Or they might be like Blizzard and not give the slightest shit what you do. So far, it looks like both Nostalrius and Kronos are allowing multiboxing, as long as no program is being used to control characters, as Blizzard originally claimed(but never really) supported.

I used to dual box off one of my relative's accounts mainly to talk to the opposing faction. That was incredible fun on a PvP realm. When I went on killing sprees with Rogue alts(ie L29), what I liked to do was park a character on their side in the same zone so I could see myself being complained about or condemned in their chat. My twink Rogue killing Alliance newbs was notorious in Duskwood and Redridge for a while. He lived in those zones, and killing Alliance newbs was his duty. The low level character on their side would have a nearly identical name, so sometimes I'd drop into the chat to say something funny when people kept calling it out everyday. When a high level skull con showed up and said something like, "ok, back on my main, where is he?" I'd say in their chat, "They see me gankin, they hatin". They'd run around on their mounts trying to find me. I'd say something like "Check unda da tree stum mon". Fun times. I was there so often just quietly reading the chat was great. People would say things like "Is this guy here everyday? Doesn't he have anything better to do? He could have been 60 by now." Or "Ya he's here all the time. You solo quest that graveyard at your own risk. Newbs beware." "His chatalt is online in the zone, that means he's here, fyi. When you don't see the chatalt online anymore, that means it's safe."(Sometimes they got smart) "Rogue ganking at orc fort again, same guy as usual." That's when you drop something like "For the Horde!". If you did this as a Dwarf twink, talking as a Dwarf in the Horde chat would have been hilarious. Ever read the Flintlocke comic? Talk like him in the Horde chat. :)
http://pc.gamespy.com/articles/578/578734p1.html

Re: please Clarify Dual (multi) boxing for me guys!

PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 2:55 am
by Ptoad
^
" I only use a second character in legitimate ways(alt tabbing). "

Exactly!

Edit: TY why good reply... any Horde Rogue Gankin' humies is good in my books!

Re: please Clarify Dual (multi) boxing for me guys!

PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:24 am
by NerZhulen
Switchblade wrote:first, multiboxing seems allowed on Kronos, it is botting which is forbidden.

On nostalrius you can alt-tab two account but not multiboxing with third party program.


I am sorry but I would like to hear this from an admin.

Re: please Clarify Dual (multi) boxing for me guys!

PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:25 am
by NerZhulen
Switchblade wrote:
On nostalrius you can alt-tab two account but not multiboxing with third party program.


I am sorry but I would like to hear this from an admin.