Page 1 of 2

Tier 2 Gear - Added Pre-Buff!?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:18 am
by Bio-Booster
I fully understand the whole blizz like notion of this server, and it's the main reason I rolled here, but this is absurd.

I thought the general consensus from the entire community has been that adding Tier 1 pre-buff was one of the dumbest decisions overall by the Nost staff. It did absolutely nothing to slow down the progress of the guilds clearing content, and this tier 1 buff patch has probably been the most awaited patch since this server launched.

So I log in today, and load up atlas, and what do I see.
Dragonstalker with 2% dodge?
Wrath gear, with 0 defense on it?
Netherwind with +4 spell damage?

If I've jumped the gun on this post, and my addon's just fucking up, I apologize.

If the Nost staff have seriously not learned anything over the lifetime of their server, I don't even know what to think anymore. If you really want to be blizz like, work on getting my aimed shot to stop breaking shadowmeld like it did pre 1.7, don't make me clear an instance for a year with 1/2 of the loot dropping being totally useless.

We're supposed to spend the next year running BWL and sharding T2 so we can get a few choice items off a few choice bosses? Not to downplay the importance of items like Rejuvenating gem, or Drakefang Talisman, or Nef's loot, but seriously? 90% of T2 in it's current form would be a downgrade to T1, and is surpassed in multiple instances by blues.

We'll be picking up the ZG blues as upgrade before we see T2 become useful.

Waiting for MC till now was one thing, but BWL isn't even out yet. We have to wait for it to come out, then wait for ZG, World Dragons, Tier 0.5, and finally in a year (more?), when AQ40 comes out we'll get useful T2? At which point 1/3-1/2 the classes will be immediately upgrading to 2.5.

This can't seriously be the plan, can it?

Re: Tier 2 Gear - Added Pre-Buff!?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:24 am
by Mryul
stats upgrade tomorrow

Re: Tier 2 Gear - Added Pre-Buff!?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:28 am
by Bio-Booster
Mryul wrote:or you could read abit around so you don't put yourself on display as a complete moron for everyone to see

stats upgrade, literally tomorrow


here, i'm going to quote your dumb ass post just so you can't edit it

I fully understand the whole blizz like notion of this server, and it's the main reason I rolled here, but this is absurd.

I thought the general consensus from the entire community has been that adding Tier 1 pre-buff was one of the dumbest decisions overall by the Nost staff. It did absolutely nothing to slow down the progress of the guilds clearing content, and this tier 1 buff patch has probably been the most awaited patch since this server launched.

So I log in today, and load up atlas, and what do I see.
Dragonstalker with 2% dodge?
Wrath gear, with 0 defense on it?
Netherwind with +4 spell damage?

If I've jumped the gun on this post, and my addon's just fucking up, I apologize.

If the Nost staff have seriously not learned anything over the lifetime of their server, I don't even know what to think anymore. If you really want to be blizz like, work on getting my aimed shot to stop breaking shadowmeld like it did 1.7, don't make me clear an instance for a year with 1/2 of the loot dropping being totally useless.

We're supposed to spend the next year running BWL and sharding T2 so we can get a few choice items off a few choice bosses? Not to downplay the importance of items like Rejuvenating gem, or Drakefang Talisman, or Nef's loot, but seriously? 90% of T2 in it's current form would be a downgrade to T1, and is surpassed in multiple instances by blues.

We'll be picking up the ZG blues as upgrade before we see T2 become useful.

Waiting for MC till now was one thing, but BWL isn't even out yet. We have to wait for it to come out, then wait for ZG, World Dragons, Tier 0.5, and finally in a year (more?), when AQ40 comes out we'll get useful T2? At which point 1/3-1/2 the classes will be immediately upgrading to 2.5.

This can't seriously be the plan, can it?




Yes, I'm the moron.

Try again.

Viper wrote:Dear community,

Here is a more complete list of what is going to be added and changed for the next upcoming content release:
[list]
[*]Alterac Valley release, including reputation items & quests,
[*]Global rework on existing items,
[*]New items for the following instances: Stratholme & Scholomance,
[*]New items for the following raids: Molten Core, Onyxia, Azuregos & Kazzak,
[/i]



http://wowwiki.wikia.com/Patch_1.9.0
Many of the pieces from the Tier 2 Armor sets have received updated statistics. The armor sets with the most extensive changes include the Netherwind, Nemesis, and Judgement sets. Other sets received fewer revisions, or none at all.

(I was off by 1 patch, whoops)

Like I said, if I'm off base, I apologize, but that definitely doesn't seem to be the case here.

Re: Tier 2 Gear - Added Pre-Buff!?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:32 am
by Mryul
18th :)

Re: Tier 2 Gear - Added Pre-Buff!?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:49 am
by Bio-Booster
Yep I'm wrong.

Thanks for steering me in the right direction.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/Patch_1.5.0

The following item sets have had their statistics, effects, and set bonuses updated:

Arcanist, Netherwind, Prophecy, Transcendence, Felheart, Nemesis, Cenarion, Stormrage Raiment, Nightslayer, Bloodfang, Giantstalker, Dragonstalker, Earthfury, Ten Storms, Might, Wrath, Lawbringer, and Judgement.

Too ready to be angry, and spent too much time reading patch notes today :).

Re: Tier 2 Gear - Added Pre-Buff!?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:09 am
by snowtime
Bio-Booster wrote:Too ready to be angry, and spent too much time reading patch notes today :).


T1 and 2 for mages/warlocks still won't be amazing after being buffed. On the plus side for the alliance, paladin T2 will be much better for healing than after it got changed in 1.9.

Regardless a lot of the T2 loot has missing stats with atlas loot atm. I feel like they were planning to have T2 drop from MC at one point but stopped before they did the full implementation of the 1.3 stats.

Re: Tier 2 Gear - Added Pre-Buff!?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:20 am
by Imbaslap
for example of the differences in tier 2 changes over 1.3-1.5-1.9

Netherwind

1.3ish stats.
http://web.archive.org/web/20050207014922/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=210

1.5ish stats.
http://web.archive.org/web/20050601055234/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=210

after 1.6 stats? (no idea when it officially changed but it seemed during bwl release, there was a change to these sets then buffed in 1.9)
http://web.archive.org/web/20050817113550/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=210

1.8+ stats.
http://web.archive.org/web/20060213003255/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=210


not sure how 100% accurate this is but the only source I can see based on patch release dates with differences in t2 gear stats.

here's the rest incase someone wants to confirm it before Saturday:

Wrath:
1.3
http://web.archive.org/web/20050207024846/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=218

1.5
http://web.archive.org/web/20051211002811/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=218

Judgement:
1.3
http://web.archive.org/web/20050207023842/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=217

after 1.5?(dated oct 2005)
http://web.archive.org/web/20051028235720/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=217

1.8+
http://web.archive.org/web/20060411210403/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=217

Bloodfang:
1.3
http://web.archive.org/web/20050207021236/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=213

1.5
http://web.archive.org/web/20051211002627/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=213

Nemesis:
1.3
http://web.archive.org/web/20050620074053/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=212

1.5/1.6 (around bwl release)
http://web.archive.org/web/20051211002606/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=212

1.8+
http://web.archive.org/web/20060215115018/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=212

Transcendence:
1.3
http://web.archive.org/web/20050207015806/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=211

1.5/1.6 timeframe
http://web.archive.org/web/20051214041909/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=211

Dragonstalker
1.3
http://web.archive.org/web/20050207023017/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=215

1.5
http://web.archive.org/web/20051212163133/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=215

Ten Storms:
1.3(complete trash/no stats?)
http://web.archive.org/web/20050207023628/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=216

1.5
http://web.archive.org/web/20051211002722/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=216

Stormrage

1.5
http://web.archive.org/web/20051124091719/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=214


that's what I gathered though based on patch release dates.
TLDR, locks and mages get boned until bwl release for spell dmg change over, then buffed t2 stats for AQ release in 1.9.

ill make a second post for tier 1.

Re: Tier 2 Gear - Added Pre-Buff!?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:44 am
by Imbaslap
Tier 1 changes:

Arcanist

1.3ish stats.
http://web.archive.org/web/20050207005357/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=201

1.5ish stats.
http://web.archive.org/web/20050721073949/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=201

1.8+ stats.
http://web.archive.org/web/20060410083526/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=201

Might:
1.3
http://web.archive.org/web/20050207014147/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=209

1.5 nice buff defense change?
http://web.archive.org/web/20050729085314/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=209

1.8+ nerf? defense change?
http://web.archive.org/web/20051211002451/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=209

Lawbringer:
1.3
http://web.archive.org/web/20050207013827/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=208

1.5/1.6
http://web.archive.org/web/20051116013942/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=208

Nightslayer:
1.3
http://web.archive.org/web/20050207010808/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=204

1.5+
http://web.archive.org/web/20051214035313/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=204

Felheart:
1.3
http://web.archive.org/web/20050207005939/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=203

1.5+
http://web.archive.org/web/20051211002314/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=203

Prophecy:
1.3
http://web.archive.org/web/20050216025340/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=202

1.5/1.6 timeframe
http://web.archive.org/web/20051211002248/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=202

Giantstalker
1.3
http://web.archive.org/web/20050207012621/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=206

1.5
http://web.archive.org/web/20051212032827/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=206

Earthfury:
1.3
http://web.archive.org/web/20050207013120/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=207

1.5
http://web.archive.org/web/20051211002401/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=207

Cenarion

1.3
http://web.archive.org/web/20050528021233/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=205
1.5+
http://web.archive.org/web/20051212055242/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=205


seems like might was nerfed between 1.8 and 1.9 timeframe due to a defense change and it being just as good as wrath at some point. as well as arcanist being changed as well during the patches over time? the helm didn't get spell hit until 1.8-1.9 patch timframe.

patch timeframes:
1.5: 7 June 2005
1.6: 12 July 2005
1.7: 13 September 2005
1.8: 10 October 2005
1.9: 3 January 2006


TLDR, rip mages on t1 and t2.

Re: Tier 2 Gear - Added Pre-Buff!?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:42 am
by Mchayes
It'll be interesting to see what they implement indeed - Battlegear of Might has the defense nerf active in Dec-2005. Mere 6 months after the 1.5 patch.

Many crits will be had if this is the case... ohwell


ed; after fiddling around a bit more there's no worries to be hand. The ZG patch(1.7) brings defense nerf.

Image

Re: Tier 2 Gear - Added Pre-Buff!?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:33 pm
by Imbaslap
do the stats even match yet? I haven't checked from my links to actual patch data.