Guilds opinion on the BWL attunement.

[Datruth]

I didn't want to bring this directly to the staff since it would be ignorant of me to assume everyone shares the same opinion as me.
From my experience people tend to have an opinion on everything, even on stuff that should be none of their concern, but I beg you lvl30-40 undead rogues of STV, Barrens chatters and the PvP community to keep your opinion to yourself for now or create another thread to discuss in.

I would like to hear the opinion of Officers/Leaders in the established raiding guilds on this segment from the BWL announcement thread:

It will not be possible to complete the attunement before the release of BWL itself.

Does anyone of you actually think this is the best way to go about it?

Personal Opinion:
Before I go on I want to point out I have enjoyed my stay on the server very much so far, and I think overall the scripting is solid. That being said, mistakes and bugs does occur when new content is released and they have indeed occured everytime so far (don't think I have to specificy).
I think by not letting people pre-attune it just adds another element that potentially could turn this release into a less than pleasant experience.

To reinforce my concern; I have experienced zone-in bugs a couple of times on this server so far, with people ending up in different onyxia IDs, only half the raid being able to enter, individuals not being able to enter on first try even though they had their necklace(No, no one in combat). Most concerning my guild also experienced zone-in bugs during BWL PTR, with some people not being able to enter which also kind of concerns me since there will be a lot of people zoning in when everyone will be running through UBRS in waves of 10.

Also, I'm assuming the server goes offline for a minute in order for the changes to occur. There are no chance any guild will get 40 people online and tag the Quartermaster so everyone can loot it before someone without a raid manages to steal the tag in order to grief or maybe even by mistake since there will be a massive cluster of people. This will be a massive bottleneck and I'm convinced none of the raiding guilds will prefer this over pre-attunement

Anyways TL;DR - I wanna hear some Officer/Leadership opinions from established guilds on this matter, you don't have to go on a rant like I did.

Edit: Reduced chances of misunderstandings

[pmizz]

We actually have a life on Fridays so idgaf

[Cousy]

This is how it was during retail so that's how it will be on Nostalrius. Yes, we have more population and yes, BRM will be a clusterfuck day one. So what? If you want to raid BWL the first day you can either earn your tag on the quartermaster and clear BWL with 4 10 man groups or just clear to the instance portal and deal with attunement later.

What exactly do you want them to do? Just grant everyone attunement?

So yes, I think it will be best way to go about it.

[SnowFlakes]

I don't really care either way. As Cousy said it's only for one day, I think we'll manage.

[Datruth]

This is how it was during retail so that's how it will be on Nostalrius. Yes, we have more population and yes, BRM will be a clusterfuck day one. So what? If you want to raid BWL the first day you can either earn your tag on the quartermaster and clear BWL with 4 10 man groups or just clear to the instance portal and deal with attunement later.

What exactly do you want them to do? Just grant everyone attunement?

So yes, I think it will be best way to go about it.

I don't recall exactly how it went down but I will take your word for it. I don't think you can use "Blizzlike" as a valid argument in this case though for countless reasons. Examples being, massive population, people being way more efficient now compared to 10 years ago (even more people), this isn't released by a multi-million company like blizzard so bugs are more likely (forgot about AV and Azuregos not regging hp?), People actually knowing exactly what is going to happen now compared to 10 years ago. I could probably go on but you should be getting my point by now. If the server restarts in order for BWL to get up, NO guild will get a full raid attuned simply because they won't be able to wait for all 40 man to log on and be able to loot without losing the tag, and the respawn is 2h so attunement is out of the picture for the first 2 hours.

I want them to release the attunement quest before the actual instance to avoid a bottleneck and reduce the chance of zone-in bugs which, from my experience, occur from time to time.

[gotmilk0112]

I like it. BRM will be a 24/7 battleground for like 2 or 3 days.

[TaurenRogue]

ur presuming you need to get bwl attuned to enter bwl...

[Datruth]

ur presuming you need to get bwl attuned to enter bwl...

To reinforce my concern; I have experienced zone-in bugs a couple of times on this server so far, with people ending up in different onyxia IDs, only half the raid being able to enter, individuals not being able to enter on first try even though they had their necklace(No, no one in combat). Most concerning my guild also experienced zone-in bugs during BWL PTR, with some people not being able to enter which also kind of concerns me since there will be a lot of people zoning in when everyone will be running through in waves of 10.

I know it might have been silly of me to ask for this, but please read the OP before posting, just a general note for everybody

[Hammersplat]

This is how it was during retail so that's how it will be on Nostalrius. Yes, we have more population and yes, BRM will be a clusterfuck day one. So what? If you want to raid BWL the first day you can either earn your tag on the quartermaster and clear BWL with 4 10 man groups or just clear to the instance portal and deal with attunement later.

What exactly do you want them to do? Just grant everyone attunement?

So yes, I think it will be best way to go about it.

I'm worried this will be a nightmare. On my original vanilla servers AQ opening the server kept crashing, there was so much aoe everything was lagging and the guild that was trying to open it for hours logged and came back later. There are more people on this server.

If he respawns every 2 hours and there are what... 40 to 50 guilds trying to do it. It's going to be a nightmare for at least a week or more.

The best way in these circumstances is going to be what Cousy said - just clear to the portal and forget about attunement.

The best way would be to give him a fast respawn timer or open that quest line a week earlier (not blizzlike though). But a Blizzlike experience would have been only 3 guilds interested in doing BWL.

I'm sure it's going to be epic either way.

[Norjak]

BWL has an attunement, deal with it!

The solution is not to get rid of it because it's too inconvenient for some people. This is Vanilla - PLAY THE DAMN GAME.