Zum'rah's Vexing Cane (Staff from ZF) drops rates...

by **ldy693** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:08 pm

Seems to be bugged. Atlas loot shows it has 12.08% yet this staff NEVER drops. I'v never seen a caster using it.
I'v ran this place like 8 times and it never droped, niether the gloves.Same story from a friend who ran this place even more...we just never saw it.Only green items.

I wouldn't open a topic about it, but this Staff is actually one of the best for casters untill you hit 60. You can only hope for a similar one from ST Hakkar spirit, but it has no Intell.

So please, fix the drops rate.
Thank you and have a nice day!

by **Exzes** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:01 pm

There are at least 323 Players on Realmplayers who got the staff, so doenst seem that broken to me...just keep farming

by **ldy693** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:40 pm

I have no idea how did u came up with that number but I think the drops rates are indeed broken. Even the Gloves won't drop, just green items as I said.
Again, it's not just me, but 2 other people who farmed this place (8 runs+, for each of them) and NEVER saw that staff drops. I'd say it was a "bad luck" if it was just me, but it's not, lol.

Sure, I might be worng, but it would be great if they could at least look into it.This staff is very importand for casters between 44-60.

by **Exzes** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:45 pm

http://realmplayers.com/ItemUsageInfo.aspx?realm=NRB&item=18082

There you go.

by **rinron** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:04 pm

damn so he actually does drop it? ive ran ZF 6 times so far and the doc dropped a green every time. i assumed his loot table was bugged.

its been years so i could be wrong but, i dont remember him dropping greens at all in classic

by **Blackadder** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:24 pm

ldy693 wrote:Seems to be bugged. Atlas loot shows it has 12.08% yet this staff NEVER drops. I'v never seen a caster using it.
I'v ran this place like 8 times and it never droped, niether the gloves.Same story from a friend who ran this place even more...we just never saw it.Only green items.

I wouldn't open a topic about it, but this Staff is actually one of the best for casters untill you hit 60. You can only hope for a similar one from ST Hakkar spirit, but it has no Intell.

So please, fix the drops rate.
Thank you and have a nice day!

Take some math classes and you could calculate that the chance of the staff not dropping after 8 runs is 35,7% .

That is more than 1 in 3, so not that unlikely at all.

Even after 20 runs the chance of not getting it is still 7% SO if your friend did 12 runs, the chance of both of you not getting it is still a small, but significant one.

by **Zawa** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:26 pm

Intercorpse wrote:
Blackadder wrote:
ldy693 wrote:Seems to be bugged. Atlas loot shows it has 12.08% yet this staff NEVER drops. I'v never seen a caster using it.
I'v ran this place like 8 times and it never droped, niether the gloves.Same story from a friend who ran this place even more...we just never saw it.Only green items.

I wouldn't open a topic about it, but this Staff is actually one of the best for casters untill you hit 60. You can only hope for a similar one from ST Hakkar spirit, but it has no Intell.

So please, fix the drops rate.
Thank you and have a nice day!

Take some math classes and you could calculate that the chance of the staff not dropping after 8 runs is 35,7% .

That is more than 1 in 3, so not that unlikely at all.

Even after 20 runs the chance of not getting it is still 7% SO if your friend did 12 runs, the chance of both of you not getting it is still a small, but significant one.

Seems like you are totally unaware of how percentages work in general.
You cant just multiply percentages by the times a dungeon ran. Go back to school.
Peace.

Yeah, actually it does work that way. His math is correct.
For example, I did 31 LBRS runs without seeing the caster pants. The chances of that occurring are (1-drop_rate)^number_of_runs or, in this case, 0.35%.

by **Uzephi** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:14 pm

Welcome to RNG. I know people who ran MC every week up until Cata and never saw the eye of sulfras and My DK saw it drop twice in a month. You can do all the math you want, but it will still have the same % drop chance each time you run it. The chances of it not dropping on repeated runs would be higher theoretically, but it still has a chance to not drop. The joys of the RNG system.

by **Arise** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:00 pm

Zawa wrote:
Intercorpse wrote:
Blackadder wrote:

Take some math classes and you could calculate that the chance of the staff not dropping after 8 runs is 35,7% .

That is more than 1 in 3, so not that unlikely at all.

Even after 20 runs the chance of not getting it is still 7% SO if your friend did 12 runs, the chance of both of you not getting it is still a small, but significant one.

Seems like you are totally unaware of how percentages work in general.
You cant just multiply percentages by the times a dungeon ran. Go back to school.
Peace.

Yeah, actually it does work that way. His math is correct.
For example, I did 31 LBRS runs without seeing the caster pants. The chances of that occurring are (1-drop_rate)^number_of_runs or, in this case, 0.35%.

Lol, he deleted his post. Luckily this epic stupidity has been saved in your quote. "Can't just multiply percentages" :lol: