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Zum'rah's Vexing Cane (Staff from ZF) drops rates...

PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:08 pm
by ldy693
Seems to be bugged. Atlas loot shows it has 12.08% yet this staff NEVER drops. I'v never seen a caster using it.
I'v ran this place like 8 times and it never droped, niether the gloves.Same story from a friend who ran this place even more...we just never saw it.Only green items.

I wouldn't open a topic about it, but this Staff is actually one of the best for casters untill you hit 60. You can only hope for a similar one from ST Hakkar spirit, but it has no Intell.

So please, fix the drops rate.
Thank you and have a nice day! :)

Re: Zum'rah's Vexing Cane (Staff from ZF) drops rates...

PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:01 pm
by Exzes
There are at least 323 Players on Realmplayers who got the staff, so doenst seem that broken to me...just keep farming

Re: Zum'rah's Vexing Cane (Staff from ZF) drops rates...

PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:40 pm
by ldy693
I have no idea how did u came up with that number but I think the drops rates are indeed broken. Even the Gloves won't drop, just green items as I said.
Again, it's not just me, but 2 other people who farmed this place (8 runs+, for each of them) and NEVER saw that staff drops. I'd say it was a "bad luck" if it was just me, but it's not, lol.

Sure, I might be worng, but it would be great if they could at least look into it.This staff is very importand for casters between 44-60.

Re: Zum'rah's Vexing Cane (Staff from ZF) drops rates...

PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:45 pm
by Exzes

Re: Zum'rah's Vexing Cane (Staff from ZF) drops rates...

PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:04 pm
by rinron
damn so he actually does drop it? ive ran ZF 6 times so far and the doc dropped a green every time. i assumed his loot table was bugged.

its been years so i could be wrong but, i dont remember him dropping greens at all in classic

Re: Zum'rah's Vexing Cane (Staff from ZF) drops rates...

PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:24 pm
by Blackadder
ldy693 wrote:Seems to be bugged. Atlas loot shows it has 12.08% yet this staff NEVER drops. I'v never seen a caster using it.
I'v ran this place like 8 times and it never droped, niether the gloves.Same story from a friend who ran this place even more...we just never saw it.Only green items.

I wouldn't open a topic about it, but this Staff is actually one of the best for casters untill you hit 60. You can only hope for a similar one from ST Hakkar spirit, but it has no Intell.

So please, fix the drops rate.
Thank you and have a nice day! :)



Take some math classes and you could calculate that the chance of the staff not dropping after 8 runs is 35,7% .

That is more than 1 in 3, so not that unlikely at all.

Even after 20 runs the chance of not getting it is still 7% SO if your friend did 12 runs, the chance of both of you not getting it is still a small, but significant one.

Re: Zum'rah's Vexing Cane (Staff from ZF) drops rates...

PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:26 pm
by Zawa
Intercorpse wrote:
Blackadder wrote:
ldy693 wrote:Seems to be bugged. Atlas loot shows it has 12.08% yet this staff NEVER drops. I'v never seen a caster using it.
I'v ran this place like 8 times and it never droped, niether the gloves.Same story from a friend who ran this place even more...we just never saw it.Only green items.

I wouldn't open a topic about it, but this Staff is actually one of the best for casters untill you hit 60. You can only hope for a similar one from ST Hakkar spirit, but it has no Intell.

So please, fix the drops rate.
Thank you and have a nice day! :)



Take some math classes and you could calculate that the chance of the staff not dropping after 8 runs is 35,7% .

That is more than 1 in 3, so not that unlikely at all.

Even after 20 runs the chance of not getting it is still 7% SO if your friend did 12 runs, the chance of both of you not getting it is still a small, but significant one.


Seems like you are totally unaware of how percentages work in general.
You cant just multiply percentages by the times a dungeon ran. Go back to school.
Peace.


Yeah, actually it does work that way. His math is correct.
For example, I did 31 LBRS runs without seeing the caster pants. The chances of that occurring are (1-drop_rate)^number_of_runs or, in this case, 0.35%.

Re: Zum'rah's Vexing Cane (Staff from ZF) drops rates...

PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:14 pm
by Uzephi
Welcome to RNG. I know people who ran MC every week up until Cata and never saw the eye of sulfras and My DK saw it drop twice in a month. You can do all the math you want, but it will still have the same % drop chance each time you run it. The chances of it not dropping on repeated runs would be higher theoretically, but it still has a chance to not drop. The joys of the RNG system.

Re: Zum'rah's Vexing Cane (Staff from ZF) drops rates...

PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:00 pm
by Arise
Zawa wrote:
Intercorpse wrote:
Blackadder wrote:

Take some math classes and you could calculate that the chance of the staff not dropping after 8 runs is 35,7% .

That is more than 1 in 3, so not that unlikely at all.

Even after 20 runs the chance of not getting it is still 7% SO if your friend did 12 runs, the chance of both of you not getting it is still a small, but significant one.


Seems like you are totally unaware of how percentages work in general.
You cant just multiply percentages by the times a dungeon ran. Go back to school.
Peace.


Yeah, actually it does work that way. His math is correct.
For example, I did 31 LBRS runs without seeing the caster pants. The chances of that occurring are (1-drop_rate)^number_of_runs or, in this case, 0.35%.

Lol, he deleted his post. Luckily this epic stupidity has been saved in your quote. "Can't just multiply percentages" :lol:

Re: Zum'rah's Vexing Cane (Staff from ZF) drops rates...

PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 12:48 pm
by Strife
Stop complaining about a weapon which shouldn't even be in the game yet.

2005 Feb:
http://web.archive.org/web/200502101500 ... ame10.html

2005 March:
http://web.archive.org/web/200503240619 ... ame10.html

Ctrl + F "Zum"

Patch 1.3 = March 7th aka Dire Maul patch
http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_1.3.0
Witch Doctor Zum'rah's loot table was improved.

...

While we're at it:
http://www.wowwiki.com/Manual_of_Eviscerate_IX
Patch 1.9.0 (03-Jan-2006): Added.

or how about that Spell Hit belt?
http://web.archive.org/web/20050225051149/http://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=13956

oops