[AddOn] Aux - Enhanced Auction House Interface

[Bit]

It's not quite trivial as currently the table groups by buyout price/stack/duration combination. So the question is, should it also consider the bid for grouping (which will blow up the number of entries shown), or simply show the lowest per group, or the highest, or what exactly.

And should it show the high bid/starting price or the bid price (high bid + min increment or if no high bid the starting price)?
The default AH lists the high bid/starting price (which is stupid) and Aux (in the search tab) lists the bid price.
The problem with undercutting the bid price is that people with the default AH may think it's more expensive (even though it isn't)

[shadowanker]

It's not quite trivial as currently the table groups by buyout price/stack/duration combination. So the question is, should it also consider the bid for grouping (which will blow up the number of entries shown), or simply show the lowest per group, or the highest, or what exactly.

Well for my purposes at least, listing the lowest per group would be ideal since that's what I'm basing my starting price on usually(or lowest per item but this achieves the same thing). And I think most people would probably find this to be the most useful way to list it.

And should it show the high bid/starting price or the bid price (high bid + min increment or if no high bid the starting price)?
The default AH lists the high bid/starting price (which is stupid) and Aux (in the search tab) lists the bid price.
The problem with undercutting the bid price is that people with the default AH may think it's more expensive (even though it isn't)

I think being able to easily trade/communicate/compare is far more important than knowing the increment. But maybe you could have the Bid button show the minimum bid in parentheses that way you always see it before bidding. "Bid(price)"

[shadowanker]

But maybe you could have the Bid button show the minimum bid in parentheses that way you always see it before bidding. "Bid(price)"

Well I guess this only applies to the search page, which already lists the incremental price anyway. Honestly I think it should show the same as the standard AH but that's a different discussion.

As far as the posting page goes I definitely think it should list the starting bid per group not including the incremental price.

[Bit]

Alright, I've added a bid column now. To summarize: Still grouped by buyout/stack/duration and sorted by unit buyout, showing the lowest "blizzard AH bid" per buyout/stack/duration group.

But maybe you could have the Bid button show the minimum bid in parentheses that way you always see it before bidding. "Bid(price)"

Well I guess this only applies to the search page, which already lists the incremental price anyway. Honestly I think it should show the same as the standard AH but that's a different discussion.

As far as the posting page goes I definitely think it should list the starting bid per group not including the incremental price.

I'm not sure if you understand the issue. Aux does show the starting price (because there's no min increment for the starting price)

The weirdness of the default AH is this: Let's assume you put up an auction for 10s starting price. People then see it listed as 10s in the default AH. If they bid on it, they have to pay 10s. After someone's bid on it it will still be listed as 10s (which is now the high bid, not the starting price anymore) but if they bid they'll have to pay more than 10s (10s + min increment).

So basically what you see listed in the default AH as the bid is sometimes what you have to pay to bid (if it's the starting price) and sometimes not. This also makes the sorting semi useless as you're not guaranteed that the actually cheapest is at the top. Aux (in the search tab) always lists what you have to pay.

[Keycan]

So when i search for wizard oil for example, i tend to get only 1 or 2 results. With the standard UI i get about 20 more results from different people, whats up with that?

[monteo]

Hello Bit
I want to sell recipe for 3g http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=20755
Auction create 15g because 5 charges
Its wrong - recipe that one

[Bit]

So when i search for wizard oil for example, i tend to get only 1 or 2 results. With the standard UI i get about 20 more results from different people, whats up with that?

Auctions are grouped by item (you can expand them by double click).
They are further grouped if they're identical. Those can't be expanded but there would be no point in doing so. There's an "auctions" column that shows how many have been grouped.

Hello Bit
I want to sell recipe for 3g http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=20755
Auction create 15g because 5 charges
Its wrong - recipe that one

Hmm, interesting, not sure how to solve that. There's no way to know the charges other than parsing the tooltip. Guess I could just exclude recipes as they never have charges.

edit: should be fixed

[shadowanker]

Alright, I've added a bid column now. To summarize: Still grouped by buyout/stack/duration and sorted by unit buyout, showing the lowest "blizzard AH bid" per buyout/stack/duration group.

But maybe you could have the Bid button show the minimum bid in parentheses that way you always see it before bidding. "Bid(price)"

Well I guess this only applies to the search page, which already lists the incremental price anyway. Honestly I think it should show the same as the standard AH but that's a different discussion.

As far as the posting page goes I definitely think it should list the starting bid per group not including the incremental price.

I'm not sure if you understand the issue. Aux does show the starting price (because there's no min increment for the starting price)

Thank you! It is awesome being able to get an update so fast after giving feedback. You rule!

Anyways I understand how the bids are listed compared the AH, but maybe I misunderstood why you brought it up.

Sorry if I'm still missing the point somehow. I think this is a good idea though:
If you ever change the search page to display bids like the vanilla AH(which seems more reasonable to have them be the same even if it's a stupid way of listing it) I was saying you could somewhat solve it by listing the actual cost of the bid on the "bid" button itself. You'd have the benefit of showing the difference between both "prices", and it would probably be a lot less confusing for noobs. It would also be a fail-safe so you don't accidentally place a bid without considering both figures.

[Bit]

If you ever change the search page to display bids like the vanilla AH(which seems more reasonable to have them be the same even if it's a stupid way of listing it) I was saying you could somewhat solve it by listing the actual cost of the bid on the "bid" button itself. You'd have the benefit of showing the difference between both "prices", and it would probably be a lot less confusing for noobs. It would also be a fail-safe so you don't accidentally place a bid without considering both figures.

Well, being able to properly sort by bid price is more important to me than any sort of consistency with the default AH. Showing the actual price on the button doesn't help with the sorting/convenient comparison. Don't think I'll ever change that.

The reason I brought it up for the post tab is because there are pros and cons for both and it's not clear which would be preferable (though I've chosen the blizzlike one there for now, under the assumption that the majority of people are using the default AH).

If you undercut the blizzlike price you're sure to get a higher position when people sort by bid in the default AH, but you are potentially selling too low because you could undercut the bid price (active bid + min increment) instead and still appear cheaper to a "fully informed" buyer. If everyone used Aux or some other addon that lets them sort by actual bid price it would definitely be preferable to undercut that instead.

[shadowanker]

Ah that makes more sense. I hadn't considered all the implications.

But yeah I'd rather have the blizz price listed in the posting page because usually I want my item to be the first search result to the average player, rather than being a cheaper price for the "fully informed".

I'm assuming it pays off more this way since only a fraction of people use AH addons. I guess it depends on the item too. I'll have to keep this in mind for future strategies.

Does anyone here routinely try to have the cheaper bid-price rather than the first result? Do you see it paying off?