How is PVP as horde?

[Droom91]

Yesterday was black friday for alliance PuGs

ye good thing about quick BG its honor wise not bad =P
even when its a loss hehe

[Rakesh]

Can`t complain about lack of pvp.

( Monday / Tuesday )

[Xasthur]

Group queued yesterday with 5 people as alliance (holy paladin, shapeshifer druid, mage, hunter and me as warlock), with a bit of more organized play and pushing the other 5 people in the BG telling them what to do we could get several wins over a premade-ish (prolly 4-5 people of the usual one) until (at least that would my guess be) there more and more players showed up from the horde premade. Most of the games were rather tense and a lot of fun though!

[XJ9]

PvP for Horde has slowly gotten better I can say that. Playing at the beginning when it was a snorefest because the Alliance constantly had a better team composition made me not want to even bother with BGs aside from getting a standing every week.

As time went on, Horde got more organized, I can't tell if that's because most of the people in my guild that do BGs are in the same TS channel in the event we get paired together (Multiple WSGs at once was a dream on Kronos lol) or the Alliance players worth a damn already so high in the ranks they get a ton of honor through wins early and quit later in the week.

Though yeah, this last weekend I think I lost a total of maybe three games in WSG and only one of those was a steamroll from the Alliance team. Past that games were fairly often a toss up. I feel one of the contributing factors is also when newer players asked what faction won the most BGs, everyone told them Alliance because it was. Then some of those players not being the best and only picking what was winning and expecting to win off it instead of playing hit 60 and began to queue. Kind of like what happens on current WoW. Though I'm just speculating, though I have noticed a lack of organization on the Alliance side as of recent. Almost as bad as the Horde.

[Droom91]

Can`t complain about lack of pvp.

( Monday / Tuesday )

cool u had your fun ehhe
sadly i didnt play much pvp so i have top 100 kills only
but i'm healer anyway kek

[Xasthur]

I feel one of the contributing factors is also when newer players asked what faction won the most BGs, everyone told them Alliance because it was. Then some of those players not being the best and only picking what was winning and expecting to win off it instead of playing hit 60 and began to queue.

^ Sums it up pretty much. Also I wish I was horde though, could get queue pops a lot faster even with a premade which would make things a lot less tedious.

[XJ9]

I feel one of the contributing factors is also when newer players asked what faction won the most BGs, everyone told them Alliance because it was. Then some of those players not being the best and only picking what was winning and expecting to win off it instead of playing hit 60 and began to queue.

^ Sums it up pretty much. Also I wish I was horde though, could get queue pops a lot faster even with a premade which would make things a lot less tedious.

Always is the problem in anything. That's why I give half assed answers when people ask "Who wins the most?" Hell I remember in Runescape PvP back in like 2004 when I was 12 or so you'd see the people in the pvp mini games that just lost immediately go to the other team thinking it'd be a win.

Even goes on in League of Legends, overpowered champions once they're "discovered" (played by a pro player because sheep are too dumb to think for themselves) have all the bad players flock to that champion as their ticket to the next tier so the champion's winrate is pelted from 54-55% which is considered exceptionally high down to sub 50% and people just assume the champion is weak then quit playing it. Take Lee Sin for example, very strong champion is has remained broken for a considerable while, yet he's got a 44% win rate or something because bronze mechanic players pick him and are just terrible players which destroy the winrate. Then because they can't play it it devolves into "Champion takes so much skill to play" because God forbid people accept they might just be bad players. The very few games I played Lee Sin I had a commanding gold lead and usually won.

Heck, look at the rogues right now in pvp then see how many exist when AQ40 gear becomes common place. Other classes scale better with that gear, rogues fall off, not a drastic amount like useless level, but they're no longer the top pvp class and you see a massive amount of migration from the class. As much as I hate to quote Roguecraft: "But the number one problem, is that many rogues have never bothered to learn their class."

TL;DR - People pick what they perceive to be strong and follow that idea pretty blindly. In by maintaining this attitude they end up tanking the average performance by playing sub par since they think "I'm playing what's the best, I don't even have to try." In the case of battlegrounds, it tipped the scale. Some might reroll Horde and tip the scale back to Alliance, then the cycle will just repeat itself.

[Xasthur]

In the case of battlegrounds, it tipped the scale. Some might reroll Horde and tip the scale back to Alliance, then the cycle will just repeat itself.

From what I can see, it has already started. People who rolled horde to get better queue times got their levelling and some of their basic gearing done, making battlegrounds pop more frequently. Let's hope this keeps up though till the server reaches a more healthy A:H ratio and <10 minute queues.

[Dish]

From what I can see, it has already started. People who rolled horde to get better queue times got their levelling and some of their basic gearing done, making battlegrounds pop more frequently. Let's hope this keeps up though till the server reaches a more healthy A:H ratio and <10 minute queues.

Hm from what I've seen though, A:H ratio has even gotten worse in the last few weeks. Used to be around 60:40, now it's often 63:37 or even worse when looking at the bar on the website (you can right click -> see source code to see the exact numbers). Way too many people rolling alliance, we really need to get this ratio healthier.

[Nefaris]

I think that would be nice if we could see an exact ratio amongst level 60 chars aswell. I know low level PvP is fun too, but TBH it is the level 60 end-game PvP what really matters for most of us.