Unorthodox specs accepted?

[Diana]

My guild leader will raid as a protection paladin and we're all talking about giving her the TF when the patch for it comes.

I think a casual raiding guild should always have room for some looney toons. Boomkins, kitties, Spriests and Tankadins have more fun. Especially tankadins! The things they come up with to have competitive threat are brilliant! Engineering, mp5 gear, Hand of Edward the Odd enchanted with a Crusader and an odd instant heal here and there. Pots and bags full of gear for every specialisation.

What I havent seen discussed is that these muppets actually support guild members in dungeons very successfully. You know, help them gear and make up for the lack of balance in the group that commonly occurs in guild runs.

While not optimal to have them in a raid, there is no law against it. I'd rather help an enthusiastic weirdo with a great attitude than have a quiet raid night with some professional kid that knows better because he copied his build from Google.

If any cats, boomkins or shadow priests need a chill raiding guild, write to Debbie and I'll add you to <Might and Magic>

[Dirtymind]

I wonder what the cut off is between dead weight and "quirky fun specc".

[joshbpepper]

I wonder what the cut off is between dead weight and "quirky fun specc".

The raider that gets full pre raid bis, knows his rotation, and is buying into the strategy the raid leader puts out on the table. And at the end of the day, you have 5-10 normal specs, half pre raid bis, winging it, watering at the mouth from all the epics and arguing why the guy bringing his A game playing a "quirky fun spec" should be at the bottom of the loot priority.

[Orthodoxy]

I wonder what the cut off is between dead weight and "quirky fun specc".

The raider that gets full pre raid bis, knows his rotation, and is buying into the strategy the raid leader puts out on the table. And at the end of the day, you have 5-10 normal specs, half pre raid bis, winging it, watering at the mouth from all the epics and arguing why the guy bringing his A game playing a "quirky fun spec" should be at the bottom of the loot priority.

But what if, and bear with me here because I know this is crazy...but what if we found a bunch of people that are simultaneously prepared to raid and playing the right spec. Bear in mind this is completely theoretical, because of course everyone knows that the server ONLY contains lazy rogues and super srs ret Paladins.

[ceen2]

If you want to play an odd spec just do it but don't complain if the leader prefers another helping hand rather than you.

[Magnifican]

If you want to play an odd spec just do it but don't complain if the leader prefers another helping hand rather than you.

Because odd specs arent any help at all? This is the mindset we are arguing against and this whole thread is about. Just give it a rest already

[tkislove]

If you want to play an odd spec just do it but don't complain if the leader prefers another helping hand rather than you.

Because odd specs arent any help at all? This is the mindset we are arguing against and this whole thread is about. Just give it a rest already

Odd specs are detrimental to a successful raid, thinking anything else is delusional.

[cmill78]

Odd specs are detrimental to a successful raid, thinking anything else is delusional.

Assuming your line of experience and thinking is the only real answer is the delusional thinking. With all the people here giving their experience on successful non-common spec raid experiences, you would think your mind would open even a little. However, your comment proves your inability to view life outside your own box. Perhaps the real issue here is your little small-boxed world imploding from thinking of instances other than what you have been told or experienced in a closed community in game. I here if you open the door, there is a whole other world out there with people who are different but not all bad!

[bdan]

If you want to play an odd spec just do it but don't complain if the leader prefers another helping hand rather than you.

Because odd specs arent any help at all? This is the mindset we are arguing against and this whole thread is about. Just give it a rest already

Are we talking mc on farm or are we talking about clearing progression? IMO, hybrids are perfectly fine for easy raids. I wouldn't bring many if I was trying to progress through aq40 or naxx though.

I know it sounds cool to fight the system and go against the holy trinity and highlight the benefits of rets throwing out offheals and other small things hybrids bring to the table, but I don't think they outweigh the raw dps pures bring. You do and that's great but you gotta respect the opinion of people that don't. I would rather bring a 800 dps rogue who only does damage than a 300 dps ret who can throw a heal out every now and then. If you wanna bring that ret, you go for it. Im not going to stop you but I wouldn't make that decision as a raid leader.

Odd specs are detrimental to a successful raid, thinking anything else is delusional.

Assuming your line of experience and thinking is the only real answer is the delusional thinking. With all the people here giving their experience on successful non-common spec raid experiences, you would think your mind would open even a little. However, your comment proves your inability to view life outside your own box. Perhaps the real issue here is your little small-boxed world imploding from thinking of instances other than what you have been told or experienced in a closed community in game. I here if you open the door, there is a whole other world out there with people who are different but not all bad!

I think you need to remember that you are also in a bit of an echo chamber. You are in a thread about unorthodox specs so obviously a bunch of shadowpriests, moonkins, rets, enh/eles are gonna flock to this thread and give their opinions. You also should look at the composition of raids that actually cleared naxx back in the day. Sure there were hybrids but not many and they stacked pures for a reason. Yes we have come a long way in theory crafting since then but you gotta understand why people think the way he does and there is nothing wrong with it.

Not sure why you getting so upset about it.

[Ako12]

We will be making guild soon, when we hit 50, and we will not mind what spec you are if you play well. Most of us already cleared most instances back then so we know what we're doing, and we know what kind of players we need. It wasn't about spec or class for us back then, it will not be now. So, you're welcome to join, and if you're good, we'll enjoy content together