Bravo Deja Vu

[Duofilm]

Though the thing is we are at the top and as such we're subjected to hate and preconceived notions of elitism. So I figure it's easier to be the cunt they expect I am.

I agree, as one of the top raiding guilds on the server, you are always subject to hate.

But see, that's where I would choose a different approach to the issues. If people think you and your guild are pretentious assholes, why not prove them wrong? Why act just as they expect you to act and encourage them further in their thinking about you?

I'm really curious as to what you think you're getting from that behaviour. Wouldn't you feel more accomplished if people actually looked up to you (and subsequently also to your guild) in a respectable way and not one of hate and envy?

I honestly think we do prove them wrong daily:

*We run instances with everyone ( we don't sit out ppl cause they are from a specific guild like some do or did in the past)
*We help out flask runs not only for our own guild but for fellow horde guilds.
*We bring raiders to guilds that are doing MC but miss a few ppl to clear it, just so they can actually raid and start getting some loot. Or when times are hard ( example: Christmas) we helped RoC clear MC.
*We contribute to the pug weekly cause we are a big guild, making it possible for the "casual" to also get some MC loot (ask Calistro who organised them)
*We remove toxic players out of our guild that did wrongs to other players (ex. ninja looters)
...etc

I could keep going like this for a bit in my opinion but it won't matter. It won't matter cause ppl don't care about the stuff you do correctly or good, they don't care about stuff they agree on. Ppl only care about things that they don't agree on, things that go the way they don't like it.

You won't ever see a post about a guild or a specific players doing something really good for another. Cause that is considered normal. But just mindlessly coming to these forums and throwing insults around like there is no tomorrow is just plainly sad.

I'll repeat what I have said on both other forum posts. If anyone feels the need to discuss this with us, Me & Ace are around. Approach us we will listen and give the guilds view on it, not the view of a hand full of ppl that decide to post on these forums.

Duo

[Dish]

Duo, this was solely adressed at "XJ9", whatever his ingame name is.

[Duofilm]

Duo, this was solely adressed at "XJ9", whatever his ingame name is.

I know, my post wasn't ment as a insult or anything. More like as an answer to the part where you asked why we not prove them wrong. (An answer from a guild point of view, rather then a single person)

[Soulxlock]

So all the drama aside, what did actually drop?

[XJ9]

Though the thing is we are at the top and as such we're subjected to hate and preconceived notions of elitism. So I figure it's easier to be the cunt they expect I am.

I agree, as one of the top raiding guilds on the server, you are always subject to hate.

But see, that's where I would choose a different approach to the issues. If people think you and your guild are pretentious assholes, why not prove them wrong? Why act just as they expect you to act and encourage them further in their thinking about you?

I'm really curious as to what you think you're getting from that behaviour. Wouldn't you feel more accomplished if people actually looked up to you (and subsequently also to your guild) in a respectable way and not one of hate and envy?

That was answered with your first sentence. As top guild on the server we're subjected to hate and as such it doesn't matter if it's justifiable or not. Like I've said, it doesn't matter what we do because we'll always been seen with ire. Look at how it played with Goon Squad when they were the Horde best, even people that never interacted with their members saw them as assholes. It also does a lot for perspective when a BFD group couldn't find a tank for an hour so I whispered him saying I'd run his party through so they didn't disband and waste their time. After the run I got a PM from one of the members in the party saying something along the lines of "I've only been told your guild was jerks but you seem like a nice person."

Which leads me deeper into the core of it all, envy makes people say things. Look at the other posts, people are accusing us of exploiting and breaking rules to grief when it was standard procedure for Kazzak. If Lotus Storm were in our shoes everyone would pat them on the back and say "Well it's to be expected." However when Deja Vu does it suddenly it's breaking the rules and we're all elitist pricks who did what we did solely so others couldn't have items. Though if anything, a cross faction conglomerate is more towards rule violation than us sending in a team of people with the sole purpose of healing Kazzak. More so when GMs basically said they weren't going to bother with policing that.

The entirety of DV could be saints however because we're the Apex Predator as far as guilds go, they'll hate us within reason or not. Then most guilds will spout that negativity towards us so newer players only perceive us as assholes even though they've had zero interaction with our playerbase. I have had members from other guilds who tried to say Vonjo was being a dick in a BRD run a couple days ago when I asked to join a run just for fun because I need nothing from BRD. I was met with "One of our members says they had a bad experience with a dude named Vonjo in your guild and we don't want elitism." Right there I can smell bullshit because Vonjo has been one of the nicest people I've encountered everywhere and when we formed he was giving out consumables to those who needed it. It's that kind of uneducated fiction made from envy that gets spewed and people just blindly follow it.

I could act like a saint on forums, or I could act like I do presently and the result is the same. Of course most of our guild's leadership knows I'm the type to stir the pot with my posts, yet at the same time any time Duo or Ace or any officer has asked me to tone it down I've done just that. Hell Kazzak was the first time I joined the World chat in about a month to my memory.

Hell, look at my forum name. I've had people insult me based off that and I have a few PMs of people who I never saw on the forums messaging me with hostility. Why is that? Oh, because they don't know anything about the name but only follow the bullshit they've been spewed by similarly uneducated people. I could post nothing but nice things, people see my name and will pull up the LoL personality and assume I behave the same.

[XJ9]

So all the drama aside, what did actually drop?

DPS Leather gloves and a healing helmet iirc.

[Dish]

@XJ9

I absolutely disagree with pretty much anything you just said. I think we're very different people with a very different view on how to act in a community, so let's leave it like that.

@Duo

I respect what you said and i believe you. I would never claim that the majority of Deja Vu members are behaving like XJ9 does. Like I said, my statements were just aimed at XJ9 as a person and not at your guild in general.

I'm out of this thread, see you guys ingame.

[XJ9]

Then we can agree to disagree. Everything I posted was done due to observation as well as longevity on the server and seeing it in effect even before we were a guild. If you wish to disagree go on ahead, I won't try to stop you. However I am not spouting senseless bullshit like a lot of the guilds who blindly hate our guild just for even existing.

[Jarek]

WowwWweEewe grief and pve on shitty pve server? ))

[Elflordomega]

Though the thing is we are at the top and as such we're subjected to hate and preconceived notions of elitism. So I figure it's easier to be the cunt they expect I am.

I think this statement right here is your problem, you have it backwards. No one (who is actually worth worrying about) hates DV because of their success. It's the douchey forum presence that makes people dislike you, and you've just created this "hating the best" narrative as an excuse.

Every in game experience with DV I've had has been a positive one. The players have been competent and pleasant to deal with. My opinion of DV would be only positive if it weren't for you and a few others acting like drama queens on the forums.