Bravo Deja Vu

[XJ9]

Every in game experience with DV I've had has been a positive one. The players have been competent and pleasant to deal with. My opinion of DV would be only positive if it weren't for you and a few others acting like drama queens on the forums.

Acting like Drama Queens. Oh fuck I had zero idea that the posts BADMOUTHING OUR GUILD WERE POSTED BY OUR GUILD MEMBERS!

Look kid, defending yourself isn't the equivalent to being a drama queen, find one post I made crying about someone beating us to something.

Also this might come as a shocker but I've said it many times. Who I am in game and who I am on the forums are two COMPLETELY DIFFERING PERSONALITIES. Tell me right now, who is my in game character? Following that name one example of me being a bad player in game either verbally or gameplay. For this purpose, my obvious trolling "America is Superior" posts in world chat do not qualify.

You'll have a hard time. I actively run instances I do not need anything from to help others, I run low levels through instances, I give advice to players who seem like they need it, I share my consumables with raid members who don't bring theirs. . . I'm clearly such a complete asshole.

Oh here's a better one exemplifying my poor personality, how about the multiple times I've stated "I refuse to take a Vis'kag unless it's getting denched otherwise because I'm going for Perdition's in March" clearly a sensible and non asshole person would take the Vis'kag over someone who legitimately needs it then without care of that person, replace it in a couple months.

Fuck, as I type this I'm sitting outside UBRS because I sat out on the last boss so a shaman could do their Onyxia attunement despite being the highest damage in the group. I'm such a selfish person, my god.

[Levinas]

Any time I've been told it's getting to be too much I've stopped.

It's too much.

[MrCer]

You guys are the best at having all of your members wait for 2 hours while griefing a thousand other players that are actually trying to enjoy the game. enjoy those three items though, nice

I don't speak on behalf of deja vu. This is just my personal side to your subject.

I'm pretty sure dv only had one objective, which was not to grief a thousand players. This is no different than azuregos.

Logically speaking, if dv did not get the tag; how can they secure themselves the kill with 20 different guilds competing as well. With azuregos, you could pull giants to the hunter who has aggro and then the giants would eventually use their aoe slow. This is a logical strategy to secure a kill for your guild if you don't have the tag. This isn't any different than kazz.

If kazz kills something , he heals for a large % of his health. His aoe shadowbolt hits pets. So you send in your lock/hunter pets and re-summon/ress them to secure the kill when you don't have the tag.

I only saw 1 guild, other than dv, bring a MS warrior. But failed to keep it up. DV brought a MS warrior and limited their dots so that the debuff would stay. Not only that, brought a second group of healers/dps to counter the strategy I just said.

DV was prepared for kazz. And knew how to secure a kill even if they didn't have the tag. Not a case a grieving a thousand players.

[Antility]

HOW DOES A GUILD GRIEF THOUSANDS OF PLAYERS ON A PVE SERVER?

somebody answer my fucking question please. what happened that caused all this drama???????

[Xethra]

HOW DOES A GUILD GRIEF THOUSANDS OF PLAYERS ON A PVE SERVER?

somebody answer my fucking question please. what happened that caused all this drama???????

There are numerous different accusations in this thread but I think the answer you're looking for is this:

On the PVE server you obviously don't get flagged. So there is a trick you can do to prevent Kazzak from being killed that a lot of people weren't aware of. You can have a warlock summon imps over and over and go sacrafice themselves to Kazzak without the Warlock being killed. So essentially you can spam summon pets to (Hunters can do this too) to be sent in to heal Kazzak for 5% HP per death. That being said, this is not exploiting. Deja Vu verified with the GMs prior to Kazzak's arrival to be sure they could do it. By doing this over and over (with level 1 characters as Kazzak fodder as well) they were effectively able to prevent anyone else from killing it until the other guilds starting bugging out. Once most the other guilds left, they sent their two raids in and killed it.

Is it cheesy? Yes. Is it legal? Yes. It is what it is. The allowance of such a thing is not Deja Vu's or any other guilds fault, it's the rules that have been set in place by the GMs. So if there is anyone to blame it would be them for allowing such a thing to happen on the PVE server. But that's Vanilla for you. Just how it goes.


On the PVP server this will not be an issue because any lower level warlock (level 20 for example or level 1 alt) can easily just be killed because they are flagged. On the PVE server they are not flagged, so you cannot prevent such things from happening. The only thing you can do is participate in cheesy tactics, which is unfortunate because I personally don't like doing such things.

Hope that answers your question.

[gangstanigga]

Every in game experience with DV I've had has been a positive one. The players have been competent and pleasant to deal with. My opinion of DV would be only positive if it weren't for you and a few others acting like drama queens on the forums.

Acting like Drama Queens. Oh fuck I had zero idea that the posts BADMOUTHING OUR GUILD WERE POSTED BY OUR GUILD MEMBERS!

Look kid, defending yourself isn't the equivalent to being a drama queen, find one post I made crying about someone beating us to something.

Also this might come as a shocker but I've said it many times. Who I am in game and who I am on the forums are two COMPLETELY DIFFERING PERSONALITIES. Tell me right now, who is my in game character? Following that name one example of me being a bad player in game either verbally or gameplay. For this purpose, my obvious trolling "America is Superior" posts in world chat do not qualify.

You'll have a hard time. I actively run instances I do not need anything from to help others, I run low levels through instances, I give advice to players who seem like they need it, I share my consumables with raid members who don't bring theirs. . . I'm clearly such a complete asshole.

Oh here's a better one exemplifying my poor personality, how about the multiple times I've stated "I refuse to take a Vis'kag unless it's getting denched otherwise because I'm going for Perdition's in March" clearly a sensible and non asshole person would take the Vis'kag over someone who legitimately needs it then without care of that person, replace it in a couple months.

Fuck, as I type this I'm sitting outside UBRS because I sat out on the last boss so a shaman could do their Onyxia attunement despite being the highest damage in the group. I'm such a selfish person, my god.

how is it possible to type so much of nothing?

[Antility]

HOW DOES A GUILD GRIEF THOUSANDS OF PLAYERS ON A PVE SERVER?

somebody answer my fucking question please. what happened that caused all this drama???????

There are numerous different accusations in this thread but I think the answer you're looking for is this:

On the PVE server you obviously don't get flagged. So there is a trick you can do to prevent Kazzak from being killed that a lot of people weren't aware of. You can have a warlock summon imps over and over and go sacrafice themselves to Kazzak without the Warlock being killed. So essentially you can spam summon pets to (Hunters can do this too) to be sent in to heal Kazzak for 5% HP per death. That being said, this is not exploiting. Deja Vu verified with the GMs prior to Kazzak's arrival to be sure they could do it. By doing this over and over (with level 1 characters as Kazzak fodder as well) they were effectively able to prevent anyone else from killing it until the other guilds starting bugging out. Once most the other guilds left, they sent their two raids in and killed it.

Is it cheesy? Yes. Is it legal? Yes. It is what it is. The allowance of such a thing is not Deja Vu's or any other guilds fault, it's the rules that have been set in place by the GMs. So if there is anyone to blame it would be them for allowing such a thing to happen on the PVE server. But that's Vanilla for you. Just how it goes.


On the PVP server this will not be an issue because any lower level warlock (level 20 for example or level 1 alt) can easily just be killed because they are flagged. On the PVE server they are not flagged, so you cannot prevent such things from happening. The only thing you can do is participate in cheesy tactics, which is unfortunate because I personally don't like doing such things.

Hope that answers your question.

hahaha wow that is hilarious

[XJ9]

how is it possible to type so much of nothing?

How's it possible to have a name like "gangstanigga" along with a signature like yours while still maintaining the intellect required to operate a computer?

[iamkeene]

So, what. Does Deja Vu block everyone else from doing content?

If so, that sucks.

It seems like the end result would be a mega guild where the select few get geared, then quit, and the people who joined the guild to actually be able to do anything in game are left to go f themselves.

Which basically drives away newer players and leaves the server lookin like...Kronos?

But who cares, the guild leaders and friends got epics. First. On a private server with 10+ year old content. Congratulations, no one likes you.

[itwasfree]

how is it possible to type so much of nothing?

How's it possible to have a name like "gangstanigga" along with a signature like yours while still maintaining the intellect required to operate a computer?

Racism. The best comeback there is.