Unorthodox specs accepted?

[joshbpepper]

Ill shit whever I like sir thank you

[Bad Acid]

Fair enough, though I have to say I don't think an uncommon build is the main reason guilds wouldn't want you.

I won't continue this pointless arguement and epeen comparison anymore, and I apologize to others for derailing the thread.

[TwinHeadedKraken]

I think for the first couple of months when guilds are racing, unorthodox specs are gonna be less likely. Guilds will want to race for server first and record times for bragging rights. The only way to play an off spec is to be part of the crew of the officers in your guild so you have a spot in raids.

As far as later on, as the server matures and more people are level 60, I believe some off specs will be allowed considering stuff is on farm, or people are making PUGs.

Honestly, Balance druids/Elemental and Enhance shamans are just straight up more viable to raids in TBC then they are in Vanilla.

[cmill78]

In my experience 30 people carry the other 10 no matter what the spec is.

As someone who has played retail from day one, this is almost always the case. Unless, of course, your raid guild has no one that can play their class well.

In progression nobody should accept unoptimized, underperforming, undergeared participants. Why make your life harder, the end-game is already challenging enough grindfest. Sure, when a guild has content on farm it might be fine. But most serious guild will not give you a raiding spot.

In Vanilla it was more about experience and knowing how to play your class no matter the spec. I would be more worried about accepting an under-geared player into a raid if this were a Cata or Mists sever. I never had a raid issue while having enhancement shamans or balance druids in group. Also never had an issue if a few people were under-geared. Everyone is under-geared at some point in raiding. People who know how to play their class make a raid work in Vanilla (and TBC to a lesser extent).

Hi, not a pro, would not invite period. Playing a broken spec you think is fun in raids means I have to play my correct spec at 100% to make up for your selfishness. No thanks, pop will be good enough that I will always be able to find someone else of your class that will play the right spec to get into raids.

This isn't an XBox game where you have limited options. This is an MMORPG. If you want to play as a Balance Druid or Enhancement Shaman or even a Shadow Priest, it doesn't make you selfish. It is what the game was designed to do. Just because the class specs weren't balanced during release does not mean that a person should simply omit playing it because raid leader X thinks he is a newb. The true selfishness belongs to the raid that segregates people because they chose a different gameplay path simply to grab some tier gear or beat a raid. Had our retail guild not taken chances on weird specs in Vanilla, we would have missed out on awesome runs and great people who helped clear every raid (except original Naxx).

Oh, and you should be playing your spec at 100% no matter what. If you aren't, you are the problem, not the Balance Druid.

[MasterQuaster]

wow 5 pages argument about "right" specc? Are you guys serious? I cleared everything expect Naxx with guys who didn't play their common specc. The specc doesn't matter as long you can keep your dps as dd up or your heal as healer. Everything else is pseudo pro talk.

Nothing matters but dps, knowledge about the raid triggers and knowledge about your class!

[cmill78]

Nothing matters but dps, knowledge about the raid triggers and knowledge about your class!

Perfectly said (typed).

[Pokeypointy]

wow 5 pages argument about "right" specc? Are you guys serious? I cleared everything expect Naxx with guys who didn't play their common specc. The specc doesn't matter as long you can keep your dps as dd up or your heal as healer. Everything else is pseudo pro talk.

Nothing matters but dps, knowledge about the raid triggers and knowledge about your class!

The thing is, oddball specs become strong with all the proper gear from AQ and some from previous. I wouldn't take a boomkin to AQ progression raids.

[GlassGhost]

anyone make "Unorthodox specs" guild!
prove that you can do it!:-)

[Orthodoxy]

In my experience 30 people carry the other 10 no matter what the spec is.

As someone who has played retail from day one, this is almost always the case. Unless, of course, your raid guild has no one that can play their class well.

In progression nobody should accept unoptimized, underperforming, undergeared participants. Why make your life harder, the end-game is already challenging enough grindfest. Sure, when a guild has content on farm it might be fine. But most serious guild will not give you a raiding spot.

In Vanilla it was more about experience and knowing how to play your class no matter the spec. I would be more worried about accepting an under-geared player into a raid if this were a Cata or Mists sever. I never had a raid issue while having enhancement shamans or balance druids in group. Also never had an issue if a few people were under-geared. Everyone is under-geared at some point in raiding. People who know how to play their class make a raid work in Vanilla (and TBC to a lesser extent).

Hi, not a pro, would not invite period. Playing a broken spec you think is fun in raids means I have to play my correct spec at 100% to make up for your selfishness. No thanks, pop will be good enough that I will always be able to find someone else of your class that will play the right spec to get into raids.

This isn't an XBox game where you have limited options. This is an MMORPG. If you want to play as a Balance Druid or Enhancement Shaman or even a Shadow Priest, it doesn't make you selfish. It is what the game was designed to do. Just because the class specs weren't balanced during release does not mean that a person should simply omit playing it because raid leader X thinks he is a newb. The true selfishness belongs to the raid that segregates people because they chose a different gameplay path simply to grab some tier gear or beat a raid. Had our retail guild not taken chances on weird specs in Vanilla, we would have missed out on awesome runs and great people who helped clear every raid (except original Naxx).

Oh, and you should be playing your spec at 100% no matter what. If you aren't, you are the problem, not the Balance Druid.

Hi, so I'm not really seeing the merit of your argument here. You see, even if there are 10 bads in an average raid, the raid will still be better off if those 10 bads are playing the right spec.

Also played vanilla from day 1, and for quite a bit afterwards. There were lots of problems with people being unable to play their class, and the reason people rolled stupid specs back then was because Theorycrafting wasn't developed enough yet to demonstrate just how handicapped you were by choosing the wrong talents/playstyle. Knowing what we know now, there is no reason to tolerate it anymore. I want someone today who can play their class, and is the correct spec, and I don't have to choose between one or be other - I just walk past the moonkin and take the guy standing behind him who wants to actually raid.

I don't know what the whole paragraph with the Xbox analogy is supposed to mean. No it's actually not selfish for guilds to require certain specs in order to clear content. I have a real job and my playtime is limited, and I don't want to wipe all night because the paladin thinks he can tank, or go OOM because the boomkin thinks he can do as much dps as a Mage hitting one button. What is actually selfish is to come on here and whine in the face of all the actual (mathematical) evidence that yes ret Paladins really are great and should be invited to progression raids. /thread

[Orthodoxy]

wow 5 pages argument about "right" specc? Are you guys serious? I cleared everything expect Naxx with guys who didn't play their common specc. The specc doesn't matter as long you can keep your dps as dd up or your heal as healer. Everything else is pseudo pro talk.

Nothing matters but dps, knowledge about the raid triggers and knowledge about your class!

Hi, I heard that the talents you take can impact how much damage/healing you can do, is that true?