Bravo Deja Vu

[XJ9]

So, what. Does Deja Vu block everyone else from doing content?

If so, that sucks.

Depends on how you define "block from doing content", when world bosses are one kill only until a respawn and not instanced we put up a fight for them because the items are actually worthwhile atm. Since we seem to have a strong presence on world bosses I guess you could argue we do.

However you do not need world boss items to down Ragnaros and we don't prevent players from entering raids so no. Or as some people on these forums have said, "world bosses aren't really content and don't matter" if you choose to see it as that. Yet I find it amusing that stance is taken not even a day after we as a server had 200+ people seemingly in Blasted Lands all fighting for Kazzak.

Thing is world bosses have good gear and aren't instanced so whatever guild gets the kill "Blocks others from content" and that's just natural gear progression. We just have numerical advantage as well as a mix of players from different regions giving us a dominant watch on World Bosses so for other guilds to get them, the odds are slim yet still existent. I know Helloween a few weeks ago put up a damn good fight for Azuregos.

Knowing someone is going to pull the "shady tactics" card, we didn't have people intentionally die to Kazzak until two of our attempts were griefed. Maybe one, however we didn't start doing it. Only reason it comes off as we "griefed everyone" is because everyone decided to work as a group, Horde AND Alliance to block us from getting Kazzak. (Oh the irony people claim that we blocked them from doing content when they had a cross guild team dedicated to screwing us over) Then when that wasn't working they tried to get our leadership on board with the idea of rolling off the kill which was declined and they went back to trying to grief attempts by us and vice versa. I linked the kill video earlier, watch from 25 seconds to about a minute and a half. Kazzak stays above 90% because people not in DV were dying. Our second raid team didn't join until he was two minutes into being fought. Heck in the video when he gets to like 30% you'll see a few of us come in from the right side.

TL;DR - World Bosses are one kill every like week for whatever lucky raid team to get the tag, have good gear, DV has numbers and clock advantage. So people who can't compete with that scream that we actively gate people from content, and we do indirectly. We want the items, it isn't like we kill things we don't need just to screw over others. When the time comes and we no longer need specific things from bosses I can't imagine our guild killing them just to the sake of killing them.

[XJ9]

how is it possible to type so much of nothing?

How's it possible to have a name like "gangstanigga" along with a signature like yours while still maintaining the intellect required to operate a computer?

Racism. The best comeback there is.

I'm impressed if anyone actually saw that as racism and not as a jab at the perceived age, maturity and intellect of the person. Maybe because other nations call them "Chavs" to my understanding. I'm from the states, "chavs" are associated with the term "gangsta" here.

Though that's how it works I guess. People can't think of anything logical to come up with so they scream buzzwords like "Racism" "Death Threats" or other heinous acts to make the other seem disgustingly insensitive and inhuman. So bravo to you if that was a post of satire mocking the inevitable claim.

[Duofilm]

HOW DOES A GUILD GRIEF THOUSANDS OF PLAYERS ON A PVE SERVER?

somebody answer my fucking question please. what happened that caused all this drama???????

There are numerous different accusations in this thread but I think the answer you're looking for is this:

On the PVE server you obviously don't get flagged. So there is a trick you can do to prevent Kazzak from being killed that a lot of people weren't aware of. You can have a warlock summon imps over and over and go sacrafice themselves to Kazzak without the Warlock being killed. So essentially you can spam summon pets to (Hunters can do this too) to be sent in to heal Kazzak for 5% HP per death. That being said, this is not exploiting. Deja Vu verified with the GMs prior to Kazzak's arrival to be sure they could do it. By doing this over and over (with level 1 characters as Kazzak fodder as well) they were effectively able to prevent anyone else from killing it until the other guilds starting bugging out. Once most the other guilds left, they sent their two raids in and killed it.

Is it cheesy? Yes. Is it legal? Yes. It is what it is. The allowance of such a thing is not Deja Vu's or any other guilds fault, it's the rules that have been set in place by the GMs. So if there is anyone to blame it would be them for allowing such a thing to happen on the PVE server. But that's Vanilla for you. Just how it goes.


On the PVP server this will not be an issue because any lower level warlock (level 20 for example or level 1 alt) can easily just be killed because they are flagged. On the PVE server they are not flagged, so you cannot prevent such things from happening. The only thing you can do is participate in cheesy tactics, which is unfortunate because I personally don't like doing such things.

Hope that answers your question.

I think this explains everything properly. Thanks Xethra. Lets now leave this post as it is? If anyone has questions, problems, suggestions? Contact me ingame plx

[Leythia]

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[Xethra]

Another reason to avoid that place, I guess.

Then please refrain from further posting useless comments such as this on our forums. You have your own dedicated forums for that. Good day.

*Edit* - @Levinas - Judging by your post history you've been playing on Nostalrius less than a month. You don't even know what has gone on during the life of the PVP server, let alone the PVE server. Your comments have absolutely no validity when you claim to know how the players on the PVE server are "bad boys." A fair number of the PVE players came from the PVP server due to population reasons.

[Levinas]

Then please refrain from further posting useless comments such as this on our forums. You have your own dedicated forums for that. Good day.

Thanks, but no thanks.

Just like DV, I like to stay here, safe from repercussions for my actions.

[XJ9]

Then please refrain from further posting useless comments such as this on our forums. You have your own dedicated forums for that. Good day.

Thanks, but no thanks.

Just like DV, I like to stay here, safe from repercussions for my actions.

For repercussions in the way you are speaking to take place we would have had to violate a rule which did not happen.

Given it was the spawning of a boss I am sure GMs were watching and nothing was said or done, our actions with within the rules. Gray areas are not constituted as violation of rules.

However it doesn't matter how much we try to say the otherwise, everyone has it in their mind that we're rule breakers because they are acting like children unwilling to see logic. Goes to the typical ragey kid, they get beaten and it wasn't by any form of the opposing party being better, it was always lag, hacking, rule violation or anything else that isn't related to performance. Egos have to be intact I guess?

Though if we try to argue this, I'm going to tell you we didn't violate rules. You and every other person who isn't in DV will swear we exploited despite we did what GMs said would not be punishable. Then we just go in circles, we didn't exploit, our actions were scummy at worst (even though everyone else did the VERY SAME TO US, EVEN DURING OUR KIL ATTEMPT) but within rules however let's agree to drop this because it's getting stupid and I'd prefer to respect the wishes of others and drop it.

[Xethra]

However it doesn't matter how much we try to say the otherwise, everyone has it in their mind that we're rule breakers because they are acting like children unwilling to see logic. Goes to the typical ragey kid, they get beaten and it wasn't by any form of the opposing party being better, it was always lag, hacking, rule violation or anything else that isn't related to performance. Egos have to be intact I guess?

Not everyone, only those who are completely ignorant to what really goes on. Anyway this is off-topic now. /thread

[XJ9]

However it doesn't matter how much we try to say the otherwise, everyone has it in their mind that we're rule breakers because they are acting like children unwilling to see logic. Goes to the typical ragey kid, they get beaten and it wasn't by any form of the opposing party being better, it was always lag, hacking, rule violation or anything else that isn't related to performance. Egos have to be intact I guess?

Not everyone, only those who are completely ignorant to what really goes on. Anyway this is off-topic now. /thread

Agreed. I'm done trying to justify myself or my guild to people who choose willing ignorance. Have a nice day.

[xownagemenz]

Is it true that it speaks XJ9?