Unorthodox specs accepted?

[Orthodoxy]

wow 5 pages argument about "right" specc? Are you guys serious? I cleared everything expect Naxx with guys who didn't play their common specc. The specc doesn't matter as long you can keep your dps as dd up or your heal as healer. Everything else is pseudo pro talk.

Nothing matters but dps, knowledge about the raid triggers and knowledge about your class!

The thing is, oddball specs become strong with all the proper gear from AQ and some from previous. I wouldn't take a boomkin to AQ progression raids.

A single shadow priest becomes viable with increased debuff slots and AQ/Naxx warlock scaling, and feral OTing has a niche in some situations/raids.

[GlassGhost]

A single shadow priest becomes viable with increased debuff slots and AQ/Naxx warlock scaling, and feral OTing has a niche in some situations/raids.

yup
same with 1 enh shammy
but im not sure is elem shammy/oomkin can be usefull in some situations/raid or just a waste of spot

[MasterQuaster]

Nothing matters but dps, knowledge about the raid triggers and knowledge about your class!

Stop arguing guys. Your argue is so senseless! As long as the unorthodox spec still do the right amount of heal or dps, nothing else matters!

The only facts are:
1. There are people who play with the recomanded specc and still suck in dps/heal/tank.
2. There are unorthodox specs which still work out and deliver more than enough dmg
3. If you spec too unorthodox your amount of heal/dmg will drop and nobody gonna invite you for raids.
4. As long as you deliver the right dps/heal for a raid they gonna invite you, no matter what spec you have!
5. Everything else is pseudo pro talk

[Orthodoxy]

Nothing matters but dps, knowledge about the raid triggers and knowledge about your class!

Stop arguing guys. Your argue is so senseless! As long as the unorthodox spec still do the right amount of heal or dps, nothing else matters!

The only facts are:
1. There are people who play with the recomanded specc and still suck in dps/heal/tank.
2. There are unorthodox specs which still work out and deliver more than enough dmg
3. If you spec too unorthodox your amount of heal/dmg will drop and nobody gonna invite you for raids.
4. As long as you deliver the right dps/heal for a raid they gonna invite you, no matter what spec you have!
5. Everything else is pseudo pro talk

1. True but irrelevant
2. If "more than enough" is less dps than optimal spec, you're a bad.
3. Nobody that matters will invite you anyway if you aren't the optimal spec, with 1 or 2 point variations for some classes
4. Define "right dps/heal," also no they won't (unless they're a goofy casual guild that will struggle to clear MC when Naxx is out). Reminds me of all those guilds in BC that cleared half of Karazhan for the whole expansion.
5. Glad to hear that I am a professional player for doing what everyone else with half a brain does.

[cmill78]

I don't know what the whole paragraph with the Xbox analogy is supposed to mean. No it's actually not selfish for guilds to require certain specs in order to clear content. I have a real job and my playtime is limited, and I don't want to wipe all night because the paladin thinks he can tank, or go OOM because the boomkin thinks he can do as much dps as a Mage hitting one button. What is actually selfish is to come on here and whine in the face of all the actual (mathematical) evidence that yes ret Paladins really are great and should be invited to progression raids. /thread

I can't help you if you don't know the difference between an XBox game with basic options and an MMORPG. You can "walk by" the moonkin all you want, it doesn't mean that the guy who is specced "correctly" will be better simply because you view his spec to be "correct". You are free to choose whomever you wish to raid with as your time is valuable to you. But to say you immediate write someone off because they are not specced to your liking is the more selfish act. People play the game they way they want. If they are good, the spec matters less than if they aren't.

Until people realize that this Vanilla part of WoW isn't post WoTLK, there will always be segregation in the raid community. Also, all the examples you provide in the last half of your paragraph are examples of poorly played class, not poorly selected spec. But, again, if you played your spec 100% all the time (like you claimed not to do unless people are not specced to your liking), you'd notice that what matters most in Vanilla is understanding the raid mechanics and skill.......not specs.

[MasterQuaster]

Nothing matters but dps, knowledge about the raid triggers and knowledge about your class!

Stop arguing guys. Your argue is so senseless! As long as the unorthodox spec still do the right amount of heal or dps, nothing else matters!

The only facts are:
1. There are people who play with the recomanded specc and still suck in dps/heal/tank.
2. There are unorthodox specs which still work out and deliver more than enough dmg
3. If you spec too unorthodox your amount of heal/dmg will drop and nobody gonna invite you for raids.
4. As long as you deliver the right dps/heal for a raid they gonna invite you, no matter what spec you have!
5. Everything else is pseudo pro talk

1. True but irrelevant
2. If "more than enough" is less dps than optimal spec, you're a bad.
3. Nobody that matters will invite you anyway if you aren't the optimal spec, with 1 or 2 point variations for some classes
4. Define "right dps/heal," also no they won't (unless they're a goofy casual guild that will struggle to clear MC when Naxx is out). Reminds me of all those guilds in BC that cleared half of Karazhan for the whole expansion.
5. Glad to hear that I am a professional player for doing what everyone else with half a brain does.

Pseudo pro rubish talk detected! You have never seen Naxx from inside but talk Great bro! You are a champ

if you rly say my Nr. 1 is irrelevant, you have never ever seen any raid in Classic from inside.

Define right dps/heal? Just numbers don't lie! Compare the raid applicant's dps and you see if it's high enough or not. But I bet you don't even know what dps mean... You are one of those guys who think dps is a synonym for damage dealer.

So pls leave me alone and stop your god damn pseudo pro talk! Thanks!

[Orthodoxy]

I don't know what the whole paragraph with the Xbox analogy is supposed to mean. No it's actually not selfish for guilds to require certain specs in order to clear content. I have a real job and my playtime is limited, and I don't want to wipe all night because the paladin thinks he can tank, or go OOM because the boomkin thinks he can do as much dps as a Mage hitting one button. What is actually selfish is to come on here and whine in the face of all the actual (mathematical) evidence that yes ret Paladins really are great and should be invited to progression raids. /thread

I can't help you if you don't know the difference between an XBox game with basic options and an MMORPG. You can "walk by" the moonkin all you want, it doesn't mean that the guy who is specced "correctly" will be better simply because you view his spec to be "correct". You are free to choose whomever you wish to raid with as your time is valuable to you. But to say you immediate write someone off because they are not specced to your liking is the more selfish act. People play the game they way they want. If they are good, the spec matters less than if they aren't.

Until people realize that this Vanilla part of WoW isn't post WoTLK, there will always be segregation in the raid community. Also, all the examples you provide in the last half of your paragraph are examples of poorly played class, not poorly selected spec. But, again, if you played your spec 100% all the time (like you claimed not to do unless people are not specced to your liking), you'd notice that what matters most in Vanilla is understanding the raid mechanics and skill.......not specs.

Actually doing whatever you want, regardless of its impact on others (in this case your raid group), is pretty much the textbook definition of selfishness - but you can keep on with the mental gymnastics if you want.

The second part of this post is where you continue with this false dichotomy of choosing between someone playing a shit spec ca someone who can't play their class. You don't have to choose, there are plenty of people that can both play their class and have the optimal spec. You have also failed to consider the possibility that the guy with the shit spec is also a shit player.

Finally, what does it matter if this is post-WOTLK or not? Does math not apply in vanilla WoW somehow?

[RestZev]

Smite Priest. Ayyyyyy

[MasterQuaster]

Actually doing whatever you want, regardless of its impact on others (in this case your raid group), is pretty much the textbook definition of selfishness - but you can keep on with the mental gymnastics if you want.

Oh YES! What a horrible impact if I have another spec as you recomand me Maybe I gonna make just 1,5k dps instead of 1,6k WHAT A HORRIBLE IMPACT ON MY GROUP! SO SELFISH OF ME! Hope you gonna wipe cause somebody set another skill point than you recomand him

The shit spec is also a shit player.

Just because you compare palyers spec with the recomanded specs of your pro guides you think it's shit? And that's not selfish? Bro how old are you? Were you even born when classic released?

[Orthodoxy]

Actually doing whatever you want, regardless of its impact on others (in this case your raid group), is pretty much the textbook definition of selfishness - but you can keep on with the mental gymnastics if you want.

Oh YES! What a horrible impact if I have another spec as you recomand me Maybe I gonna make just 1,5k dps instead of 1,6k WHAT A HORRIBLE IMPACT ON MY GROUP! SO SELFISH OF ME! Hope you gonna wipe cause somebody set another skill point than you recomand him

The shit spec is also a shit player.

Just because you compare palyers spec with the recomanded specs of your pro guides you think it's shit? And that's not selfish? Bro how old are you? Were you even born when classic released?

Nothing you said makes you right, your homework is to log off and sharpen your critical thinking skills.