ZG Tiger NINJA - Soultapdat

[Vorfidus]

Point is, you have no proof that he did it. Your screenshot says Unknown.

[Tranq]

Point is, you have no proof that he did it. Your screenshot says Unknown.

stop trolling...im not gonna argure, u can ask 17 other ppl who were in the raid or anyone from Emphasis.

also it shows someone did loot, and there is only 3 ppl on horde side with the mount.

[Nathrizyr]

Thread re-opened due to proper proof. Please keep discussions civil.

[Tranq]

bump. updated info.

[chunass]

I wouldn't ninja it, I'm just confused why someone would pass the roll on a mount like that not knowing what the other 19 people are going to do.

If you can't pass on a shitty cosmetic item because you expect your guildies to ninja, you're probably in a shitty guild.

[Aslan]

"The game allowed me to take this item into my bags, its no ninja if I just loot an FFA item, even if I know that it was an obvious mistake and should be rolled out/decided by DKP bids or loot council"?
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Now the facts: Everyone passed on the tiger when it was on group loot, thats acknowledging the fact that things went wrong and that it should not have been a completely free roll. Souldtapdat passed too in that occasion and therefore accepted the OTHER way of distributing the loot that was chosen by the guild. If he was a completely random guy and nobody told him a word beforehand, he could have just rolled need and it would not have been a ninja, however he passed!

So, the next thing, it has been proven that certain people were chosen to /roll for that item and you see guy X has the highest roll, therefore the item is bound to go to that guy X. The item was distributed, it belonged to guy X, since he had the right and the will to loot it.

Another guy though took the item, he didnt have the right to do so and he knew exactly that. Easy proof here: http://phoenix-guilde.shivtr.com/forum_ ... nread=true
Relevant passages deleted by the applicant, however the quotes are still there. Now not that this is needed at all, as stated above he acknowledged the guilds loot distribution upon joining the guild, joining the raid and passing on the item anyway.
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Conclusion? This was an act of ninja looting.
What the GM's do with this case is up to them, the item in question is of insane rarity and value and an object of great desire, so taking care of this incidence doesnt mean that GM's have to take care of every single incident on the whole server. Its like in reality.. a certain % of all potential cases arent even reported or being taken care of after their report... way more than people think!

The question if ninja looting is bannable in the first place remains open. It would be ridiculous if it wasnt though! Lets all make pugs and switch to master loot in the last second to ditch the other 4 or 19 or 39 depending on the size of the group? If that behaviour is officially stated to not be bannable, it would become a huge problem leading to only well-known players being able to run pugs. You would always be in danger of getting thrown into a non-legit pug, a new guy starting up pugs and ninjaing loot, an old guy that only waited for that one TF binding or mount, or eventually even that alt of a well-known ninja host.
Tldr: Its ridiculous.
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Cheers
Scar

[Kezzik]

I wouldn't ninja it, I'm just confused why someone would pass the roll on a mount like that not knowing what the other 19 people are going to do.

If you can't pass on a shitty cosmetic item because you expect your guildies to ninja, you're probably in a shitty guild.

The mount is kind of a big deal, especially at this point in time of the game.

[arOo]

Let's get one thing clear.

Group Loot wasn't supposed to be on - This was my mistake.
For easier looting of bijous/coins, group loot was activated so we can pass via the lazypig function.
ML wasn't put back on before we started the encounter.
Yet I fail to see how ML should be necessary during a guild run.

-A vanilla server, especially one without a faction/name-change is inherently 100% transperent, hence such actions lead to the demise of your character &all those associated we know of. Why anyone with a grasp of basic social structures, would choose to kill off his toon by such actions will always remain a mystery to me.
Especially if the offender is a 29y old individual who should definitely know better than to lose his mind over some vanity item.

Anyway, it can happen to all of us and I'm sorry for the deeply disturbed individual Soultap has to be irl.

[Snautz]

Looking cool while AFKing in org is serious business m80.

[Jurary]

Aren't you all losing your minds over a useless vanity item?