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Re: I forsee an Issue

by Diametra » Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:39 pm

reysode wrote:Reduce the vendor price for equiped items to few coppers, make them undiisenchantable, make a 10-20g gold cap on transferring characters and make a 5-7 day transfer cooldown per account. Its not rocket science.


On one toon- collect all of the most valuable mats, fill all bags and bank. transfer to TBC. On vanilla send all of these mats to dummy account, transfer to TBC. repeat 3 more times. Wait five days, do it again. It may not be rocket science, but it requires more thought than that.
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Re: I forsee an Issue

by Melgarh » Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:45 pm

Could also be just a copy of the character and its skills without the gear (eg. just mounts/pets), watching thousands of almost naked creatures fighting it out in Blasted Lands would be worthwhile :D
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Re: I forsee an Issue

by Diametra » Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:02 pm

Yeah naked, gold capped, empty bag and bank transfers are an obvious easy fix. But I can't think that's going to be the approach taken.
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Re: I forsee an Issue

by Dreez » Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:31 pm

chars will be copied =/= you are going to decide when they are going to be copied

it will for sure be a database copy (a one-time snapshot)
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Re: I forsee an Issue

by Sharax » Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:15 pm

What I would like to see:

1. Copy a Vanilla level 60 character to TBC whenever you like. No windows. After all, some of us like playing alts and may have a few sub 60s. No way in hell would I want to level them twice on Vanilla AND TBC. I'd probably just drop playing Vanilla if that was the case.

2. Character transfers only his/her equipped gear and mounts. Let everyone start TBC on the same page (broke) without introducing risk of messing the economy on the transfers.

I hope the management team can give us their insight sooner rather than later because this may impact how we play our current toons (e.g., I might drop some toons if it is just a one-time transfer, or just play TBC elsewhere that has a 60 boost - if the mechanism is unfriendly to casual players, we'll do what's best for us)
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Re: I forsee an Issue

by DeeMarie » Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:53 pm

Maybe just don't xfer any gold, let players keep their profs and mount and gear and off they go.
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Re: I forsee an Issue

by Diametra » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:22 pm

Dreez wrote:chars will be copied =/= you are going to decide when they are going to be copied

it will for sure be a database copy (a one-time snapshot)


Now that kinda works doesn't it. A serverwide snapshot of one moment in time with everything that exists and we can copy only what is seen. So that even if I create multiple dummy accounts with dummy toons, I cannot successfully get them through the gateway with items they did not have at time of snapshot. Yeah.

So our decision would be what we want to look like at time of snapshot. The only downside is...well that's not only a limited window, it's an extremely limited window sure to be followed by lots of whining. I wouldn't have any problem with this.
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Re: I forsee an Issue

by Dreez » Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:28 pm

Diametra wrote:
Dreez wrote:chars will be copied =/= you are going to decide when they are going to be copied

it will for sure be a database copy (a one-time snapshot)


Now that kinda works doesn't it. A serverwide snapshot of one moment in time with everything that exists and we can copy only what is seen. So that even if I create multiple dummy accounts with dummy toons, I cannot successfully get them through the gateway with items they did not have at time of snapshot. Yeah.

So our decision would be what we want to look like at time of snapshot. The only downside is...well that's not only a limited window, it's an extremely limited window sure to be followed by lots of whining. I wouldn't have any problem with this.


it'd be exactly the same as back on retail when TBC released, aside from still being able to play your character on the 1.12.1 realm

anyone complaining about that really is stupid
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Re: I forsee an Issue

by Sharax » Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:14 am

Diametra wrote:
Dreez wrote:chars will be copied =/= you are going to decide when they are going to be copied

it will for sure be a database copy (a one-time snapshot)


Now that kinda works doesn't it. A serverwide snapshot of one moment in time with everything that exists and we can copy only what is seen. So that even if I create multiple dummy accounts with dummy toons, I cannot successfully get them through the gateway with items they did not have at time of snapshot. Yeah.

So our decision would be what we want to look like at time of snapshot. The only downside is...well that's not only a limited window, it's an extremely limited window sure to be followed by lots of whining. I wouldn't have any problem with this.


Maybe you need a practical example.

Say I have 2 60s (warrior and priest) and various alts ranging in level from 25 to 55. You take your one-time snapshot for the TBC realm.

Afterwards, I decide "Meh, I think I want to play a mage instead of my mains and play it on Vanilla and TBC". Oh, the mage is level 32. He has to be leveled from 32 to 60 on Vanilla and shit, he has to be leveled from 32 to 70 on TBC. Screw that!

The one snapshot approach will kill casual players that enjoy playing alts. The better system is just to copy characters when they want without the ability to transfer gold/items (other than what they are wearing and mounts). You don't want to ostracize a large chunk of the player base by implementing a retarded "one snapshot only" copy.
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Re: I forsee an Issue

by Robotron » Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:24 am

It should just be character MOVE.
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