Is Warrior the best hybrid class?

[smilkovpetko]

Can be optimal tank, can be optimal dps. Even though vanilla's description of the class aims at them supposedly being tank only.

On the contrary, they hybrid classes, paladins, shamans and druids, can only try to optimize for healer while always remaining sub-optimal in dps/tanking specs.

If the hybrid tax feature is accounted for, then it makes sense, versatility should come at the cost of single task ceilings (paladins should be lesser tanks compared to warriors since they can heal, self-dispel, etc).
But if so, why is warrior dps not something akin to shadow priest level of dps?

That is because you are living in "Privacy" servers world where 70% of the stuffs doesn't work properly at all.

In retail Warriors was the most terrible DPS in Game and mainly dps Warriors was Arms,fury was unthinkable, even worse than Retribution Paladins.

http://web.archive.org/web/200611102253 ... 0022&sid=1

See the evidence for yourself from the Original Blizzard Forums back in 2006 1.12.1 patch ^

[zmandude24]

That's not 100% true since fury warriors will have to OT at least sometimes. A few fights require like 5 tanks and it's not efficient to have 5 prot warriors in the raid since the average amount of tanks required for bosses in current content is 3. Many guilds have like 3 prot warriors and the rest fury with a tank set ready to OT bosses like Vael.

[smilkovpetko]

That's not 100% true since fury warriors will have to OT at least sometimes. A few fights require like 5 tanks and it's not efficient to have 5 prot warriors in the raid since the average amount of tanks required for bosses in current content is 3. Many guilds have like 3 prot warriors and the rest fury with a tank set ready to OT bosses like Vael.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOpxCUuXDH8

Mortal Strike on Boss , where are fury there? and why only Arms and Tank?

[Takaminara]

That's not 100% true since fury warriors will have to OT at least sometimes. A few fights require like 5 tanks and it's not efficient to have 5 prot warriors in the raid since the average amount of tanks required for bosses in current content is 3. Many guilds have like 3 prot warriors and the rest fury with a tank set ready to OT bosses like Vael.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOpxCUuXDH8

Mortal Strike on Boss , where are fury there? and why only Arms and Tank?

Aren't you one of those "ret pally's are viable" derps?
People back then barely had any clue what they were doing, original vanilla wow threads are invalid.
People used all plate items as dps warriors which favoured arms by far, every fury warrior worth his salt will have a majority of leather items before stepping into MC. THey mainly use rogue gear.
You're just butthurt that even the worst fury warrior will outdps your crappy retardin.

[smilkovpetko]

Aren't you one of those "ret pally's are viable" derps?
People back then barely had any clue what they were doing, original vanilla wow threads are invalid.
People used all plate items as dps warriors which favoured arms by far, every fury warrior worth his salt will have a majority of leather items before stepping into MC. THey mainly use rogue gear.
You're just butthurt that even the worst fury warrior will outdps your crappy retardin.

People back then barely had any clue what they were doing, original vanilla wow threads are invalid.

ye clueless people killed KT in naxx you are 100% correct.

People used all plate items as dps warriors which favoured arms by far, every fury warrior worth his salt will have a majority of leather items before stepping into MC.

this came out by your own opinion or you just randomly thrown , because you are 100% wrong here.

http://web.archive.org/web/200611100521 ... or/dps.php more assumptions pls.

You're just butthurt that even the worst fury warrior will outdps your crappy retardin.

so we have to insult people who show different point of view?

[Pottu]

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In retail Warriors was the most terrible DPS in Game and mainly dps Warriors was Arms,fury was unthinkable, even worse than Retribution Paladins.

for majority of vanilla wow it's always been fury wars and rogues(I think at some point hunters were pretty high up there with asjrethul/steelarrow/blackcrow and no normalized aimedshot/multishot for several patches after the melee normalization patch) at top of meters, for horde fury wars could beat rogues pretty often cause windfury worked there(I hear it doesn't work here) and pretty much gave them infinite rage.

but hey you were pretty convinced that consecration scaled with AP in vanilla, despite all the evidence I gave you against this fact, including playing a paladin in vanilla.

edit: I can see fury wars dropping off around naxx since they really only get weapon/offpiece upgrades for dps while rogues get t3 for dps, but in AQ40 and below they were always extremely competitive dps wise.

[Setup]

That's not 100% true since fury warriors will have to OT at least sometimes. A few fights require like 5 tanks and it's not efficient to have 5 prot warriors in the raid since the average amount of tanks required for bosses in current content is 3. Many guilds have like 3 prot warriors and the rest fury with a tank set ready to OT bosses like Vael.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOpxCUuXDH8

Mortal Strike on Boss , where are fury there? and why only Arms and Tank?

Chains of KT is a phase two ability in the KT fight that MCs targets and increases healing by 500%, helping them heal KT. This is speculation, but I believe that guild brought one mortal strike warrior to counteract that effect.
That, or they allowed a warrior with a subpar spec into their raid, which is known to happen.

[stimz]

That's not 100% true since fury warriors will have to OT at least sometimes. A few fights require like 5 tanks and it's not efficient to have 5 prot warriors in the raid since the average amount of tanks required for bosses in current content is 3. Many guilds have like 3 prot warriors and the rest fury with a tank set ready to OT bosses like Vael.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOpxCUuXDH8

Mortal Strike on Boss , where are fury there? and why only Arms and Tank?

Chains of KT is a phase two ability in the KT fight that MCs targets and increases healing by 500%, helping them heal KT. This is speculation, but I believe that guild brought one mortal strike warrior to counteract that effect.
That, or they allowed a warrior with a subpar spec into their raid, which is known to happen.

That or he could link a video from a guild that mattered. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CNN_Cn2L2A

from guess what PoV?

[smilkovpetko]

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gg at the video warr dps, last one.

[smilkovpetko]

That's not 100% true since fury warriors will have to OT at least sometimes. A few fights require like 5 tanks and it's not efficient to have 5 prot warriors in the raid since the average amount of tanks required for bosses in current content is 3. Many guilds have like 3 prot warriors and the rest fury with a tank set ready to OT bosses like Vael.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOpxCUuXDH8

Mortal Strike on Boss , where are fury there? and why only Arms and Tank?

Chains of KT is a phase two ability in the KT fight that MCs targets and increases healing by 500%, helping them heal KT. This is speculation, but I believe that guild brought one mortal strike warrior to counteract that effect.
That, or they allowed a warrior with a subpar spec into their raid, which is known to happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TfYEMHS84E

mortal strikes on boss at 2005

http://web.archive.org/web/200611102253 ... 0022&sid=1

where are the fury guides?

http://web.archive.org/web/200607181219 ... post155290

Warrior discussions in 2006 ^

A: Here are a couple examples of the current builds enjoyed by a many Warriors. Some vary slightly:

"The Mortal Strike Build"
Arms Talents: 31
Deflection - 2/5
Improved Rend - 3/3
Tactical Mastery - 5/5
Improved Charge - 2/2
Improved Overpower - 2/2
Deep Wounds - 3/3
Impale - 2/2
Two-Handed Weapon Specialization - 5/5
Axe/Polearm Specialization - 5/5
Sweeping Strikes - 1/1
Mortal Strike - 1/1

Fury Talents: 20
Cruelty - 5/5
Improved Demoralizing Shout - 5/5
Piercing Howl - 1/1
Blood Craze - 3/5
Improved Battle Shout - 1/5
Enrage - 5/5

Remember, these are just examples taken from within the Warrior community here in the Blizzard forums

shall i start investigate beneficial bugs that warriors have in nostalrius so they get fixed?
(example rage generation)

maybe vanilla was old game and many improved their knowledge , but you can't deny what they used to be back in 2005/6 (only tanks) and nothing else.