Please end this. For the love of god.

[Doofoos]

we are living in world with toxic and greedy people and they will never change ... toxic forever and greedy forever.

the game is created to enjoy it , but that was 10 years ago . pandaria/cataclysm/wotlk etc have created huge inflation and provoke people into different greedy style which today we live in vanilla.

Jeez ... if you are creating your own group, making an item reserved doesn't mean you are toxic or greedy It means only that you inform others about the item you need, and you don't want other competitors for this item in your group. In terms of balancing the group needs, reserving is much better than a run with 5 ppl coming for one item, because you can split the loot even before the instance, so everyone gets what they want.
If you don't like this, don't join such groups and create your own group, with your own rules you think is "not toxic and greedy". Easy, isn't it?

[smilkovpetko]

we are living in world with toxic and greedy people and they will never change ... toxic forever and greedy forever.

the game is created to enjoy it , but that was 10 years ago . pandaria/cataclysm/wotlk etc have created huge inflation and provoke people into different greedy style which today we live in vanilla.

Jeez ... if you are creating your own group, making an item reserved doesn't mean you are toxic or greedy It means only that you inform others about the item you need, and you don't want other competitors for this item in your group. In terms of balancing the group needs, reserving is much better than a run with 5 ppl coming for one item, because you can split the loot even before the instance, so everyone gets what they want.
If you don't like this, don't join such groups and create your own group, with your own rules you think is "not toxic and greedy". Easy, isn't it?

you could at least not skip the most important sentence i mention , when you quote something make sure you quote the literally posted sentence.

i also don't like reserve items , gdkp etc .

but we have to live with that ^.

reserving items without any efforts is part of greedy attitude , tanks/healers that says "i will join only if you reserve me this item otherwise they leave" is also toxic .

at last but at very least i witnessed rogue leaving group because finger with intellect and frost resistance dropped and i said Paladin Healer > Rogues for that .

(leaving group as rogue because finger is "intellect" where paladin healer needed too) is part of that "greedy and toxic".

[rotten]

we are living in world with toxic and greedy people and they will never change ... toxic forever and greedy forever.

the game is created to enjoy it , but that was 10 years ago . pandaria/cataclysm/wotlk etc have created huge inflation and provoke people into different greedy style which today we live in vanilla.

Jeez ... if you are creating your own group, making an item reserved doesn't mean you are toxic or greedy It means only that you inform others about the item you need, and you don't want other competitors for this item in your group. In terms of balancing the group needs, reserving is much better than a run with 5 ppl coming for one item, because you can split the loot even before the instance, so everyone gets what they want.
If you don't like this, don't join such groups and create your own group, with your own rules you think is "not toxic and greedy". Easy, isn't it?

I can't believe how widespread this faulty logic is in MMORPGS these days. Reserving an item should NEVER be a thing in this game. Loot progression is meant to be slow. Approaching this with a retail/WOD mindset is a BAD thing. What entitles the grp leader to reserve something over another member? You both are investing the same amount of time/effort into the task then why should ANYONE feel entitled to reserve something over someone else??? Players ought to remain fair to each other and allow every party member an equal chance at acquiring the items. This stale argument of "don't like it? create your own group" is laughable and holds no water. Whether someone joins a reserve item grp or not doesn't change the fact that reserving items is WRONG and should NOT be taking place. I realize the majority of older/seasoned gamers like myself probably share these views and the modern generation of instant gratification COD brats will be the voice of opposition here.

[Rotgur]

Reserving items has been going on since vanilla on retail. You can't really ban people for it unless you make your own pugs or join a guild...or ninja loot.

[Doofoos]

you could at least not skip the most important sentence i mention , when you quote something make sure you quote the literally posted sentence.

i also don't like reserve items , gdkp etc.

Well, i never ran a reserved run or gdkp so And i addressed this message not only to you, but to everyone in this topic (my lack of english skills let me down)

I can't believe how widespread this faulty logic is in MMORPGS these days. Reserving an item should NEVER be a thing in this game. Loot progression is meant to be slow. Approaching this with a retail/WOD mindset is a BAD thing. What entitles the grp leader to reserve something over another member? You both are investing the same amount of time/effort into the task then why should ANYONE feel entitled to reserve something over someone else??? Players ought to remain fair to each other and allow every party member an equal chance at acquiring the items. This stale argument of "don't like it? create your own group" is laughable and holds no water. Whether someone joins a reserve item grp or not doesn't change the fact that reserving items is WRONG and should NOT be taking place. I realize the majority of older/seasoned gamers like myself probably share these views and the modern generation of instant gratification COD brats will be the voice of opposition here.

Did you read my message at all? I spoke about reserving items as a optional instrument of wise sharing of the loot. Let's make an example, there is a the player_a, who needs [ironfoe], and he sees 2 messages in world chat:

[world]: [player_b] lfg emp run [hoj] reserved
[world]: [player_c] lfg emp run [ironfoe] reserved

now he is aware that player_c is in need of [ironfoe], so, having 2 players in need of such rare item at the same group is a waste of time, so, isn't it wiser to join group of player_b, and thus split the loot more wisely? or create his own group, with his own rules.
it's not about superiority of one man over another (and don't forget, if you see a message of player_a reserving the item, thats doesn't mean he is reserved this item, that might be the reserv of item from another player in his group)

ps i have no idea what is retail/wod mindset, since i left retail on pre-pandas patch.
pps and i have only one question about this parts "should never be a thing", "is meant to be slow", "should not be taking place" - why? why in seven hells is that? because of your personal opinion or? why do you so eagerly care about others choices? there is no "water" in argument of "creating your own group", it's a common sence. I have played on Nost since 1.5 hours after server opening, and i NEVER had ANY problems with reserving in ANY way. But from other side, i had some unpleasant moments of silent ninjas\switch to masterlooting, which is far more real threat that "reserving"

[ElGran]

I can't believe how widespread this faulty logic is in MMORPGS these days.

well you better believe it

Reserving an item should NEVER be a thing in this game.

why not? even if it shouldn't, it is.

Loot progression is meant to be slow.

why do things slowly and inefficiently when you can do them quickly and efficiently?[/quote]

Approaching this with a retail/WOD mindset is a BAD thing.

what does retail/WOD have to do with nostalrius ony raids

What entitles the grp leader to reserve something over another member?

they're taking the time and effort to set up and organize the group

You both are investing the same amount of time/effort into the task

no

then why should ANYONE feel entitled to reserve something over someone else???

they're taking the time and effort to set up and organize the group

Players ought to remain fair to each other

this is why people tend to put reserves in their LFM messages - if you don't like it, don't join. 100% fair.

and allow every party member an equal chance at acquiring the items.

this is up to the group leader, if you want to set the loot rules then you have to be the raid leader.

This stale argument of "don't like it? create your own group" is laughable

no it's not

and holds no water.

yes it does

Whether someone joins a reserve item grp or not doesn't change the fact that reserving items is WRONG

no it's not

and should NOT be taking place.

that's your opinion, fact remains that it does take place

I realize the majority of older/seasoned gamers like myself probably share these views

ok your highness

and the modern generation of instant gratification COD brats will be the voice of opposition here.

wat

[ChrisKela]

Ty for all the responses

I felt that I had to just throw it of, call it whining, cause thats exactly what it was from my side
My return to the game had to do with a friend of mine passing, and I wanted to relive everything like it was, 12 years ago
But I guess like society, most of it all has turned from "Lets do this as a group" to "Whats in it for me?"

The whole nostalgia-trip was ended just beacuse of that word, thats all Im saying.
I never saw a single "RESERVED" post back in the days, honestly.

So, after all you responses here's my conclusion of everything, step by step:

1. Just ignore it.
2. Find guild (not one with 500k members, a small tight one)
3. Pop a beer
4. Enjoy

/Amanday

[smilkovpetko]

1. Just ignore it.
2. Find guild (not one with 500k members, a small tight one)
3. Pop a beer
4. Enjoy

/Amanday

that's what i always do ^ after playing this game since 2005

[Trenavar]

The server has anywhere from 6k-11k people online at all times. It's not a big deal.

[Dr. Doom]

My return to the game had to do with a friend of mine passing, and I wanted to relive everything like it was, 12 years ago
But I guess like society, most of it all has turned from "Lets do this as a group" to "Whats in it for me?"

The whole nostalgia-trip was ended just beacuse of that word, thats all Im saying.
I never saw a single "RESERVED" post back in the days, honestly.

Good realisation, You're entirely right.
I had stopped playing World of Warcraft years ago, ICC era. The direction the game had taken for a couple of patches by then was: General world/professions/quests/dungeons will be mind numbingly easy, with the very niche hard modes being the sole purpose of the game. It was... ok, for a bit, then it became an exercise of logging in to hear guild chat bitching about what needs to be done to be 'server first', while having little to no fun. I keep checking news about retail every now and then, and it's only followed the same trend deeper and deeper.

I joined this server trying to see first hand those vanilla days that I barely even touched in retail but that I had read so much about. It's not at all what I initially thought, for the exact same reason you've outlined: People.

You can't simply have fun discovering a new raid with funny specs and a jovial joking lasting community of friends. Instead, the server functions as a poorman's mythic raiding competition, with minmaxing tryharding being widespread, loot obsession (just go one day to Ironforge and see the amount of behind-the-back bitching raiders do because their guild gave DFT to a fury warrior instead of me, da 1 tr00 rogue of l33t dmg), including this reserved crap, and so many more things.

I've come to understand that vanilla WoW will never come back, it will never be relived. I simply missed it and now I can't play it. Pity, first time I have that problem with a game since I still play 1990s games. Game being multiplayer forces you to deal with society, and that entails dealing with the bubonic plague.

Didn't log in at all today.