Different project same thing happening, heres how they dealt

[Beefstaek]

its the most likely explanation

That part is complete bullshit.

ah now i see what your problem is you cant read properly, let me give you a hand.

most likely explanation besides


so and now go ahead and proof me wrong that it isnt as i did with hard facts and not some jibber jabber bla bla.

/edit


lol threw in a edit after i posted, sure sure cant "enlighten" me... still the fact remains you cant understand what i am actually writing. brotein gave somewhat of an explanation why it cant be that i can accept but all you do is give some incoherent things from you about a part of my text that you completely ripped out of context ...

[Brotein]

From my understanding, apart from the french always surrendering, Europe hosted WoW servers typically cannot be touched by *The hand of Activision*. Is it any surprise that most, if not all, private WoW servers are hosted in EU?

There have been quite a few that pop up in NA, no doubt to that. However, they do not tend to last long as they gain popularity. The fact Nost got as far as it did population-wise without getting shut down says a lot. Something seems fishy on this sudden close. Pretty sure blizzard has sent notices like this before which are ignored by most EU servers. Blizzard isnt really selling the same product it once was, they are adamante on not selling this version of it as well.

Nost isnt selling this server or reaping crazy money from it as Molten and many others have before them. I believe them to be scared, so they wish to not risk anything and close. Fear is a real weapon fyi.

My two cents, m8

[Beefstaek]

From my understanding, apart from the french always surrendering, Europe hosted WoW servers typically cannot be touched by *The hand of Activision*. Is it any surprise that most, if not all, private WoW servers are hosted in EU?

There have been quite a few that pop up in NA, no doubt to that. However, they do not tend to last long as they gain popularity. The fact Nost got as far as it did population-wise without getting shut down says a lot. Something seems fishy on this sudden close. Pretty sure blizzard has sent notices like this before which are ignored by most EU servers. Blizzard isnt really selling the same product it once was, they are adamante on not selling this version of it as well.

Nost isnt selling this server or reaping crazy money from it as Molten and many others have before them. I believe them to be scared, so they wish to not risk anything and close. Fear is a real weapon fyi.

My two cents, m8

fear is only a real weapon if you dont stand behind what you are doing 100%, and to that extend fear of something that cant do anything to you. they got send a meaningless letter put together by lawyers that got paid to do so. no governement and no law is behind this shut down. its just the fear of something that cant even happen bcus as shown there are no laws to punish the devteam even if they simply employ a different hoster. so thats why i believe they simply lost interest and are using this now as a scapegoat.

[Brotein]

Heck, they could have easily been bribed or sold out too. Wouldnt you accept a lump sum of cash for something you do in your free time? I`m sure it was a generous lump too.

I prefer sticking with fear being the reason for closure. I do love Nost staff and think they deserve to go out on a high note regardless of the circumstances that lead to the end of this wonderful server. Questions do remain unanswered, so we will never TRULY know just how deep this runs. I`m still pretty adamante, as you stated as well, that they could have kept this running if they wanted to.

[illutian]

Well, assuming it was a DMCA takedown..
https://www.dmca.com/FAQ/European-DMCA-Takedown-process

So, yes, DMCAs can be enforced over the pond.

I also see comments about the Dev team not caring. Oh really? Is that why they plan to release the core to the community? If I didn't care about a project I'd just close up shop, throw a quickie note (much shorter, probably a sentence) and that'd be it. I wouldn't waste my time packaging the server's code up (apparently they're anonymizing the player data).

For that matter, why would they start work on a TBC realm if they were tired of it. Or a PVE realm...or the bloody AQ stuff (I hear it's a PITA with all the event scripts).

Pro-Tip: Wait till you get a C&D from a Fortune 500 company co-signed with legal firm IN YOUR COUNTRY. Noting that if you don't comply they'll be seeing you in court...lets see how you react.

And because I feel like it:

http://www.collegeart.org/ip/ip_copyright_outside

"French copyright differs from Anglo-American law in its emphasis on droit d’auteur (right of author) and is defined by the Code de la propriété intellectuelle, which implements EU copyright and IP law. The term “author” is interpreted quite broadly (though some debate exists over its applicability to computer programming), and is extended to proprietary, reproductive, and performative rights as well as moral rights (which often overlap). One striking difference of French law is that a violation of copyright or IP law is a criminal offense with very strong penalties. This has been further enforced with the implementation of Loi sur le Droit d’Auteur et les Droits Voisins dans la Société de l’Information (Law on the right of author and the related rights in the information society) (DADVSI) of 2006."

So in the immortalwords of Harry:

[Beefstaek]

so what you are saying is, all the other projects out there are now run by people who are sitting in prison because clearly you have proven irrefutably that if dmca comes then you are fucked. so only explanation now is all the projects who got such a letter in the past but are still running are now being operated from inside prison because the admins are now sueued piss poor and in prison... or are you saying they should have simply made a shell company in panama and let it all be run from there? soo... basically you are saying they didnt even try?

also yes given up, sharing code does not mean you necessarily care. you might to some little extent but not enoughe to fight for it. and if you get a project up to a 10k+ active playerbase and drop it like this simply taking the road of less resistance, then yes you have given up.

i am very very gratefull for the contribution this team did to the pserver community(without a doubt these people shaped the future for quality standard and probably will have provided the basis for every future vanilla project) and if i could i would like to shake every persons hand in person from this team and give them a "fresskorb" but i am very dissapointed by how this has been dropped according to the information so far gathered all they needed to do is look for a host not inside france.

[illutian]

so what you are saying is, all the other projects out there are now run by people who are sitting in prison because clearly you have proven irrefutably that if dmca comes then you are fucked. so only explanation now is all the projects who got such a letter in the past but are still running are now being operated from inside prison because the admins are now sueued piss poor and in prison... or are you saying they should have simply made a shell company in panama and let it all be run from there? soo... basically you are saying they didnt even try?

also yes given up, sharing code does not mean you necessarily care. you might to some little extent but not enoughe to fight for it. and if you get a project up to a 10k+ active playerbase and drop it like this simply taking the road of less resistance, then yes you have given up.

i am very very gratefull for the contribution this team did to the pserver community(without a doubt these people shaped the future for quality standard and probably will have provided the basis for every future vanilla project) and if i could i would like to shake every persons hand in person from this team and give them a "fresskorb" but i am very dissapointed by how this has been dropped according to the information so far gathered all they needed to do is look for a host not inside france.

I'm saying if they don't have the funds to fight the case they'll probably cave. And it's even stated that France's copyright / IP infringement laws are harsher.

Oh and PirateBay's founders ran the server in other countries and still got arrested for running a pirating site (even if all they did was host links to pirated content). So Nost's team would need to become anonymous owners with no direct financial / ownership link to Nost in order to 'stealth' past this C&D.

If you're so set on thinking to fight, then why not pick up Nostalrius and run it. -- No Joke. That's the point of them releasing the code into the wild. You, yourself, don't need to know jackshit about coding. I'm sure the community (and even the Nost Devs) would be more than happy to....help with a...um...educational piece on game software coding

And from the looks of it, the community is more than happy to donate. Just setup a impartial money account so you don't get shit about "omg, he's stealing all the money!".

Note: I won't because I'm in the USA, and I don't feel like having a panic attacking when the Lawyers show up at my door.

[r00ty]

oh and here is proof of it that simple hoster switch is enoughe forgot to include it

http://community.atlantiss.eu/index.php ... w/?p=15195

They didn't switch though, they're still on OVH. So it seems OVH didn't actually ever cut them off.

At the end of the day, if the named person leasing the servers is in a country where they can personally be easily reached, then you don't want to go up against legal proceedings.

Those saying they should have tried more.. Well, they're probably going to release source and secure DB. So, if you're so sure of your safety, step up and take the reigns. If you can't or won't, you don't get to tell others what to do.

[Beefstaek]

Those saying they should have tried more.. Well, they're probably going to release source and secure DB. So, if you're so sure of your safety, step up and take the reigns. If you can't or won't, you don't get to tell others what to do.

well then they somehow managed to show OVH that nothing will happen, and well nothing happened, and since OVH is french based and they do according to all of you break the law how come no one from OVH is being sued for hosting a wow server? exactly because blizzard cant do jack shit to them besides scaring them and hoping they bow down to the scare tactic

yes i do get to say that because we are not in shitty north korea or usa where people without the means to do something are silenced into submission.

Oh and PirateBay's founders ran the server in other countries and still got arrested for running a pirating site (even if all they did was host links to pirated content). So Nost's team would need to become anonymous owners with no direct financial / ownership link to Nost in order to 'stealth' past this C&D.

in a normal court where ppl would not have been bought off and would not have pursued own interests the trio would not have been a single month in prison (prosecutors judges and even the fucking policeman were all inside either something warner brothers affiliated or something that had to do with the swedish copyright asociation)

If you're so set on thinking to fight, then why not pick up Nostalrius and run it. -- No Joke. That's the point of them releasing the code into the wild. You, yourself, don't need to know jackshit about coding. I'm sure the community (and even the Nost Devs) would be more than happy to....help with a...um...educational piece on game software coding

And from the looks of it, the community is more than happy to donate. Just setup a impartial money account so you don't get shit about "omg, he's stealing all the money!".

see my problem is not the managing part of something, i just am clueless about the hardware end of things thats why i didnt even consider it, sure i would help managing things but the fuck i know what kind of server youll need.

[earelith]

Lots of bullshit here...its easy to point fingers when you are not the one that get sued... They dev team are normal people who dont want to go to courts and spend lots of money and be always in stress to lose or not...

Even if they eventually win, the process would be very very exhausting and their not gonna do this for ungreatfull assholes. If someone feel strong to do it, get the code and run it.