@Blizzard: Ideas to revitalize vanilla as an expansion

[Mryul]

people dont want anything after naxx. they want to keep everything as is.

they can experiment with retail

dont tell me that you were not disappointed when you walked out of azeroth and you went outland or nothrend or dunno where. dont tell me that you wouldnt've prefer that the story would've continue after naxx. I for example, as a player who actually seen Kelthuzad dead in 2006, was sad it was ending and I had to go Outland in search of a total different animal.

my point is: expansions are bad for games like vanilla where the perfection is achieved in the 1st version. the only thing a dev team can do is to just try to make that game better, without altering it and only by ADDING things to it, things that can be withdrawn at any point if they dont succeed.

morale: what I wrote here are all things that would leave your beloved vanilla completely intact, same experience, same everything, only provide a continuity after naxx.

are you retarded?

fuck. no.

they need to make a vanilla progresion server that is forever untouched. it's the same thing nost was going to do after naxx, they would open up a new server for tbc.

people asking blizz for non vanilla things in their legacy server is cancer. kill it before it spreads. you are the exact reason blizzard dont want to do it. because they have to listen to stupid requests like this one.


if you want change, play retail.


the number 1 reason blizzard is hesitant about legacy servers is because retards will not understand it's a "you know what you get" - type of deal, and instead ask for X and Y.


sorry for being aggresive with you, but these type of things goes against everything we fight for. if you want changes, try to change their current retail version. dont touch legacy servers.

[ssishtar]

I cant understand if you are really stupid or you are simulating it from a reason I can't comprehend. Because even a half braindead monkey knows that a server without content will be dead in tops 2 years. After that it's done no matter what and obviously gonna die since everyone has every item in game and there is no incentive to raid or pvp. Remember it happened on live too, if people would've been happy, Blizzard wouldnt develop BC and we would've had vanilla even now. But people werent happy, subscriptions were going down, hence the all shit that came after from bad dev teams that didn't sport the right vision. They should've leave the game absolutely the same, only adding some content from time to time, things I basically wrote here.

What I am trying to explain to you (sadly with no avail) is that you can have same game untouched and also a continued progression who wouldnt harm at all the game nor the vanilla experience.

Example: Why would you care and how would your vanilla experience be altered on Nostalrius, if 8 months after Naxx the devs would've open a new tier of raid, clearable by only people with naxx gear, in let's say... Azshara. Same place, same people, same level, same everything. Sorry but if you wouldnt accept it or think it would destroy your vanilla experience, you're either idiot or just obsessed with argumentation.

Example 2: With what your vanilla experience would've been destroyed if in Dire Maul, some ogres would organise 1v1 arenas in the colloseum ? (btw, Blizzard actually wanted to do that in the 1st place but something happened and they postponed it to BC) Hell, we even organised ourselves arenas in STV's colloseum, why dont make it official ?

Example 3: Bountyhunting! With what our beloved game would be ruined, if 1 year after that Azshara new raid tier you would've hear that some Satyrs in Felwood are paying big time for killing specific members of the opposite faction ? Those targets could be set by other players who maybe werent happy cause they were overganked.

See ? All your vanilla remains the same, only it just gets more content to satisfy the players who would be overburned by the lack of content anyway and would just drop out. And to say no to more content in these conditions and be happy that your dream vanilla server is just going down after some time, that's =/= logic.

I am sorry too for being aggresive with you, but these type of things goes against everything that has remotely any relation with logic. I am a die hard vanilla fan too but I don't see the game stopping at naxx nor the game continuing in BC. I consider the whole Outland, Northrend and everything that came after a complete disgrace and I think viable solutions existed to overcome this and keep the game at vanilla level, in Azeroth alone.

[Mryul]

Look around you for a second. What you are suggesting goes against everything we have done here. So go fuck yourself. How fucking dense do you have to be to realise you're the exact reason Blizzard is hesitant. Making posts like these takes a fucking dump of shit on everyone that lost their place to play this weekend. Yes, this and that could be fun. But you are the fucking reason Blizzard is hesitant on making legacy servers; because they will have retards like you asking for X and Y. So go fuck yourself you piece of shit. Blizzard will never install legacy servers if they start getting retarded suggestions for modifications. "can you make X spec viable?" can you do x?" "can you do y?" "can you implement this and remove that?" No. Fuck you.

If we want to convince Blizzard to implement legacy servers we need to show them shit like this won't happen.


Did I say go fuck yourself yet? Go fuck yourself.

At least wait until we get the fucking servers you cunt. Holy shit.


We've spend 10 years trying to explain Blizzard that people will understand that legacy servers will be a "you know what you get" - type of deal. Don't fucking throw it away.

[Marcas]

I like you ideas and vanilla was large enough to purely expand upon rather than toss away like they did with the xpacs. I would rather expand on existing content than create entirely new content that makes the original stuff obselete (MC, BWL, AQ, etc..). I think the better business model would be to increase replayability of existing content, then to clean the slate every two years.

[Mryul]

if we end up not getting legacy servers, thank yourselves

and a sincere fuck you from the entire vanilla community

[ssishtar]

Look around you for a second. What you are suggesting goes against everything we have done here. So go fuck yourself. How fucking dense do you have to be to realise you're the exact reason Blizzard is hesitant. Making posts like these takes a fucking dump of shit on everyone that lost their place to play this weekend. Yes, this and that could be fun. But you are the fucking reason Blizzard is hesitant on making legacy servers; because they will have retards like you asking for X and Y. So go fuck yourself you piece of shit. Blizzard will never install legacy servers if they start getting retarded suggestions for modifications. "can you make X spec viable?" can you do x?" "can you do y?" "can you implement this and remove that?" No. Fuck you.

If we want to convince Blizzard to implement legacy servers we need to show them shit like this won't happen.


Did I say go fuck yourself yet? Go fuck yourself.

At least wait until we get the fucking servers you cunt. Holy shit.


We've spend 10 years trying to explain Blizzard that people will understand that legacy servers will be a "you know what you get" - type of deal. Don't fucking throw it away.

u mad bro ? )))))))

[Elementalist]

Do you know how hard it is going to be for us to make Blizzard create legacy servers? You're not helping.

[ssishtar]

you seem to think that Blizzard wont do it unless you assure them of something they already experienced in the past, that those servers will eventually die. newsflash, they know this already, experienced this in 2006 prior to BC. What Blizzard needs to understand is that they can STILL have vanilla and they can STILL pump content into it, there is no reason why you need new worlds, new talents, new everything, especially when you have a big community asking for your old game. so give it to them and in time bring some small content that doesn't change the original experience and test the waters. It's not nuclear physics, really.

[resku]

Congratulations on not understanding the point of these servers at all OP.

Release Vanilla just as it was, no fucking new "eye candy" no fucking paragon bullshit.

Untouched.
Raw.
Anything else, any kind of revamp, re-do or any major changes to the best MMO game I ever played and you can count my money OUT.

[EyeOfTruth]

I just fast scrolled the conversation - If you take a deep breath and look whole picture of this debate, you see the founding problems what divide even our community.

How sentimental manner of an approach each may have to this conversation there is some basic principles.

1.) How to serve majority of "Legacy" community? And what expansions are part of it?

2.) How to do it most cost effective way? (Minimize work maintain the service - that's our strength IMO!)

3.) In business wise, what must be done - so it would be compelling versus other Blizzard services?

Closer we get this ideals, more likely there is a concept we could sell to others.