Blizzard made this video:

[Thefilth]

Calling it now. Or perhaps i'm wrong? If they're going to release a server, then they need a guarantee that people will play including new players from the hype. I don't blame them, although the method seems unethical, if its true that Mark was hired to run the petition and deceive us. I hope he's sincere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60CXk503QsQ

wut? XD

Did Activision Blizzard pay you to create doubt around Mark Kern, Forcerius?
I've been suspicious of tinfoilers on Nost forums for a long time, but this seals it. Blizzard has infiltrated Nostalrius forums to try to dissuade us from persueing official legacy servers.
I suggest you abandon your cause Forcerius, because we WILL prevail!

[EyeOfTruth]

Forcerius is one great fortuneteller sended by Allah

You better trust him, if you don't want to be 1 of his 40 virgins.

Allahu akbar brother!

[Forcerius]

you honestly believe any company would want that kind of stuff from their hypeman?

No because they want him to appears as our savior, not a Blizzard employee. And I havn't seen that stuff he posts but I doubt that Sodapoppin fanboys care about "silly or immature" content.

Pettiness and arrogance is a disease in our society that some of you have. I hope you'll self reflect and change your attitude, then question this situation with honesty for your own sake and for the rest of us. But this cliche quote says it best:

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer

- A petition, a huge stack of wasted paper, and an old developer, carry much less weight than a team of advisers that Mike actually listens to.
- The decision for a legacy server was made long ago because of the previous statement.
- Marks method puts zero pressure on Blizzard to actually open a server, except for being a tool that they knowingly used to measure potential profit.
- We originally wanted a private server anyway, not more crap they can't do right. Why the change in focus? Its deliberate by endorsing people to push Blizz only servers.
- The video editing is over dramatic, insincere, and looks like an official Blizzard video or more like a commercial rather than something a gamer would make and send to a friend he worked for.

So you can disagree if you want but its plain as day to me. The only point of the petition and wasting all that paper is to generate hype, measure support, and humor us into thinking "we did it!!" when "Blizzard" already made the decision for a legacy server long before Mark stepped in. But I guess this means they'll probably release a server soon. So if i'm right, then Blizzard and Mark should be condemned for deceiving us. And if i'm wrong, then I underestimated the power of a petition.

[Hydra9268]

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer

But you're forgetting "Truth is the foundation of all knowledge and the cement of all societies". A fitting quote by John Dryden to say before you get to stage one your information has to be based on truth. In other words just stop, seriously.

[Forcerius]

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer

But you're forgetting "Truth is the foundation of all knowledge and the cement of all societies". A fitting quote by John Dryden to say before you get to stage one your information has to be based on truth. In other words just stop, seriously.

tldr: I disagree with you but I don't have an actual argument so its just my useless opinion.

[Blib]

Mark didn't even start the petition, nost did.
Do you honestly believe blizz deliberately put themselves through all of those cancellations of subscriptions/pre-orders and endless amounts of abuse (even on their private accounts) to the point where it was disruptive for their business? Instead of just being transparent about it and telling people to make some noise if they really want this? Flawless logic.

If you wanna talk pettiness, I think it's petty to start questioning people's motives when you got no concrete reason to do so.
Don't get me wrong, I think skepticism is good but when you base it on "A bunch of neatly stacked papers" and "a well edited movie" you're grasping at straws, and it's petty imo.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer

Soo when do we get to spank you? :^)

[Forcerius]

http://www.pcgamer.com/nostalrius-petition-passes-200k-signatures-mark-kern-to-deliver-it/
"Mark Kern pledged to deliver it to Blizzard president Mike Morhaime personally."

Imagine him actually delivering the papers:
First he would have an appointment right? At least call Mike or his secretary first?

Mark calls him up and says, "Hey Mike, you've heard about the petition right and what my plans are?"

"yeah its all over the internet, obviously."

"Ok so i'm going to stop by later today with duffel bags full of stacks of petitions, that cool?"

"Uh, sure, but why? I already know you want a legacy server from the letter you sent me, along with the online petition I can see."

"Well its for dramatic effect, so i'll see you at 4pm."

"Uh ok, but i'm very busy so it will have to be quick."

So he shows up with a bunch of bags full of papers and eventually goes into Mike's office:

"Hey Mike, good to see you, here's the 5000 pages I printed out, you just want them over here?"

"Sure I guess, but I still don't see why you're doing this. I've already spoken with my team and we made our decision, plus we're just going to recycle these. What did you expect from this, honestly?"

"Well I was hoping if you saw them on paper you'd change your mind"

"Lol Mark, no there's many more factors that play into my decisions. Why would I change my mind because of these stacks of paper I now have to throw away? I have alot of work to do though, so if there's nothing else to talk about I need to get busy on that. We've waste enough time already. Good to see you!"

Do you see how stupid that is? Now here's what would actually happen:

Mark walks into Mike's office with the bags full of petitions and sets them down.

"Hey Mike, whats up? Got these petitions here."

"Lol hey Mark what are you doing, you didn't actually have to bring those in. I told you just to make the video with the petitions on your desk so everyone can see. I'll have one of my guys edit it for you too. He used to prepare food for McDonnalds commercials so he'll stack the paper perfectly and make sure the lighting is nice and dark for that dramatic effect! Forget about actually filming yourself printing and delivering the petitions like a real person would. We already decided to open a legacy server a long time ago remember? So see if you can get another 100k sigs so we don't have to take a chance on a dead server before we announce it at Blizzcon and make everyone think they made it happen. I gotta go though, good to see you."

[Forcerius]

Mark didn't even start the petition, nost did.
Do you honestly believe blizz deliberately put themselves through all of those cancellations of subscriptions/pre-orders and endless amounts of abuse (even on their private accounts) to the point where it was disruptive for their business? Instead of just being transparent about it and telling people to make some noise if they really want this? Flawless logic.

If you wanna talk pettiness, I think it's petty to start questioning people's motives when you got no concrete reason to do so.
Don't get me wrong, I think skepticism is good but when you base it on "A bunch of neatly stacked papers" and "a well edited movie" you're grasping at straws, and it's petty imo.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer

Soo when do we get to spank you? :^)

My reasons go beyond the two you mentioned. And people's motives should always be questioned, especially if they're claiming to represent us.

There's way too much to explain, but i'll try to keep this clear. I think they took a calculated risk to gain more subscribers for their own live or legacy servers, and underestimated the backlash because they didn't expect the entire internet to rage like it did since Nostalrius was a relatively unknown private server with only 150,000 players, compared to the rest of the gaming community who they thought wouldn't care but did. Then they start a petition and get Mark to ask for as many signatures as he can so they can estimate the largest possible playerbase for their server while getting people hungry and excited for vanilla "release". But why don't they release it now then? There's many reasons for that as well. Guess we'll wait and see.

Also, why was Nostalrius the only server? Why did they fold so easily while all of the other private servers are running just fine? Why are the so afraid of offending Blizzard, especially since Blizzard is suing them (so we think)? Why have they put zero effort into getting a replica up and running in a safe country? I know it takes some work but its not impossible to move it to another server, especially since they set it up to begin with. What are they afraid of? Are they just tired of managing it? Don't care anymore? Don't want to get in deeper water legally than they already are? Would you care if someone who's suing you doesn't like you? Aside from being careful not to say anything legally compromising? Now, who knows if Nostalrius works for Blizzard too, but we should be asking these kind of questions, about anything, not just wow, unless we want to be deceived and gullible.

[Blib]

I don't know what you're getting at with that hypothetical conversation.
Call any billion dollar company and I'll give you my left nut if you actually manage to get a hold of the CEO. It isn't just a phone call away as you make it out to be.

Your second post just goes to show how uninformed you are on the topic. Blizzard got to actively protect their property in order to maintain full copyright of it.
As I said before, nost made the petition, not blizz. Unless you're implying nost was in on it too?

At the end of the day your paranoia doesn't change anything, so I'll just leave you to it mate.

[Forcerius]

I don't know what you're getting at with that hypothetical conversation.
Call any billion dollar company and I'll give you my left nut if you actually manage to get a hold of the CEO. It isn't just a phone call away as you make it out to be.

Your second post just goes to show how uninformed you are on the topic. Blizzard got to actively protect their property in order to maintain full copyright of it.
As I said before, nost made the petition, not blizz. Unless you're implying nost was in on it too?

At the end of the day your paranoia doesn't change anything, so I'll just leave you to it mate.

The fact that a CEO is hard to talk to makes delivering 5000 pages of petitions to him personally look even dumber since it would accomplish nothing except wasting time and money for everyone involved.

If Blizzard was doing it to protect their property, then why are all other non-profit servers currently running just fine, with the exception of the ones that were monetized? Nostalrius wasn't monetized, so what's difference?

And what does that have to do with you assuming from ignorance my level of knowledge on the subject?
I've already heard that claim about protecting their property, and thought about it.

Also, it has nothing to do with "paranoia". What would I be paranoid about? Its important to know if they're lying to the entire community, especially if we're about to give them more of our money. But lets hope i'm wrong.