Official Blizzard Legacy Server with tweaks?

[Drain]

People keep missing the point of legacy servers. We want it the way it was back then. Unless a change is strictly graphical or for performance(ie run on a newer client), the answer is NO. Most purist players are even refusing these. Others didn't like the fact that the login cap was removed on Nost. But Blizzard ran a cap strictly because their ancient 2005 hardware couldn't handle all the players that wanted to play. It's a safe assumption that if they could, they would have ran with higher logins as Nostalrius did, then simply tried to deal with the population by adding more mobs or reducing spawn times. Their solution was mainly to keep adding new servers, each which ran on their own hardware.

I hope that legacy servers do have some kind of cap though. 15k players online eats a dick. There aren't enough zones nor mobs in them to support all the players, and increasing mob counts or decreasing respawn times can only do so much. Questing on Nost was a fucking nightmare for months, and after that, it was always a nightmare to farm anything at 60. Yes you can fight the enemy faction, but half of the players are on your own side and just tag warring things you need. The population would be less of an issue in later patches that add more levels and zones, spreading out players more, but in Classic, WoW just struggles with this big a population. Maybe if they capped us up at 10k; that would have been enough. The rest could have started feeding a 2nd realm.

[Sirganksalot]

You people who keep asking for "tweaks" to Vanilla will ruin it for us, good job at confusing Blizzard with stupid ideas, the whole concept of Vanilla means that it should be as it was back then, if you dont want that, then go away.... -.-

Melak is onto it. If you don't want vanilla then don't ask for it.

It's hard enough trying to get through to Blizzard with legacy servers as it is, and even if it gets through "one small tweak" leads to more tweaks, then bigger tweaks, until we end right back where we started - with the bullshit that is WoD. Stop separating the legacy movement into different groups (i.e expansions), stop being entitled, and stop asking for extra "convenience" tweaks. If you want convenience you have retail.

People like Sodapoppin and Kungen have been trying to influence this by trying to introduce the idea of: Cataclysm flight paths, dual talents, Flying mounts, and all the crap we wanted to play a game without. Good thing people are smarter than to think they're representatives of the legacy movement, and know they're just streamers here to be the communities messenger.

[atwa]

You people who keep asking for "tweaks" to Vanilla will ruin it for us, good job at confusing Blizzard with stupid ideas, the whole concept of Vanilla means that it should be as it was back then, if you dont want that, then go away.... -.-

Melak is onto it. If you don't want vanilla then don't ask for it.

It's hard enough trying to get through to Blizzard with legacy servers as it is, and even if it gets through "one small tweak" leads to more tweaks, then bigger tweaks, until we end right back where we started - with the bullshit that is WoD. Stop separating the legacy movement into different groups (i.e expansions), stop being entitled, and stop asking for extra "convenience" tweaks. If you want convenience you have retail.

People like Sodapoppin and Kungen have been trying to influence this by trying to introduce the idea of: Cataclysm flight paths, dual talents, Flying mounts, and all the crap we wanted to play a game without. Good thing people are smarter than to think they're representatives of the legacy movement, and know they're just streamers here to be the communities messenger.

I see what you guys are saying. But honestly not all the changes blizzard made were bad. In the end we want a good game with vanilla sa a foundation and how vanilla works was great. But lets pretend a expansion was never released for wow, the game would be dead. Optional settings like retail has it now to show new graphics/animations wouldn't hurt anyone. In the end we want content to be added just that they keep on the same track as vanilla and not the other path which was shit.

Keep the game hard etc, that is what keeps your core audience.

[Galadourn]

ok, I think it's time we clarify that most people by Vanilla mean the game design (class balancing, etc) as was back in patch 1.12.1.

Bringing into Vanilla convenience improvements from other expansions is not altering Vanilla in any substantial way. We're not asking for new talents or new class abilities, just stuff that makes the game better.

[Mryul]

Can you FUCK OFF with these threads?


What part of no changes don't you understand?


Fuck off already. Seriously, you're only damaging our cause with your retarded threads.

[Tinkertown]

The issue isn't that every change ever made is bad the problem is.

1) Players cannot agree on what changes were good.
2) Most of us don't trust that the people making the calls will at all be able to identify what changes would be acceptable.

What most of the movement agree upon is that vanilla was a better overall package. Start fiddling with the individual parts too much and that is possibly no longer true, and then Blizzard opens legacy servers and we stay on private servers shaking our heads. That is a likely scenario. And if that happens Blizzard will likely say "told you so" and never consider real legacy servers.

The list of things that Blizzard might be tempted to change is huge. And many of those would ruin the game for many of us. So many times when devs have said stuff about how stuff used to be and how they have changed it for the better, I find myself disagreeing that it was an improvement.

The wow team are experts at throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[Dardyksa]

DON NOT OPEN PANDORA'S BOX... A first single tiny change, leads to more changes and tweaks... leads, in the end, to new retail crap....

[Malga]

Nostalrius was by definition a change from the Blizzard Vanilla experience.

If you reject changes, even tiny, you also reject Nostalrius.

Do not see the Devil everywhere...

Change could be good... if they are in line with the fan global expectation.
I want a guild bank in WoW Vanilla, am I heretic ?

[Caspus]

Yes you're a heretic. Vanilla LEGACY servers should only provide what vanilla had to begin with. This is the only time I hope blizzard doesn't listen to us is when people bitch about how they need to put new features in legacy severs; if they make them.

[melak]

You people who keep asking for "tweaks" to Vanilla will ruin it for us, good job at confusing Blizzard with stupid ideas, the whole concept of Vanilla means that it should be as it was back then, if you dont want that, then go away.... -.-

Melak is onto it. If you don't want vanilla then don't ask for it.

It's hard enough trying to get through to Blizzard with legacy servers as it is, and even if it gets through "one small tweak" leads to more tweaks, then bigger tweaks, until we end right back where we started - with the bullshit that is WoD. Stop separating the legacy movement into different groups (i.e expansions), stop being entitled, and stop asking for extra "convenience" tweaks. If you want convenience you have retail.

People like Sodapoppin and Kungen have been trying to influence this by trying to introduce the idea of: Cataclysm flight paths, dual talents, Flying mounts, and all the crap we wanted to play a game without. Good thing people are smarter than to think they're representatives of the legacy movement, and know they're just streamers here to be the communities messenger.

+1 well said ! Hoping for a meeting soon, a successful one before more of the crazy ideas pop up.