25th Anniversary Q&A - no "old games"

[melak]

Then why they remaking part of D1 in D3?
Also, why did they just update support for D2? I'm confused..

They are just making maps in d3 that looks similar, its not a remake or much at all.

[Keftenk]

Do you have the recording of this question and answer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS0IP8S76a4
Also, comparing making a 16lvl dungeon in D3 to remaking a legacy game is the same as comparing them putting moltencore in for 1month in retail.

Video doesn't exist anymore

[phyriel]

Then why they remaking part of D1 in D3?
Also, why did they just update support for D2? I'm confused..

Because they will make this rehashed d1 content into "expansion" so they can sell it again:P

[metrolol]

This goes back to what I said. The new devs are cunts and trying to stop legacy from spawning. Why? Because they would have to admit the new game they made is shit.

That was said by a founding member of Blizzard. Can you guys please stop embarrassing yourself? Its really difficult to read these forums any more.
You say shit about Blizzard that is objectively false.

The game isn't shit, nothing Blizzard make is. It sells more than most games in the market do and have concurrent playerbases higher than most of their competition.
The people who work on and develop WoW are very passionate about the game and want to see it improve.
Some times they do poorly like they did in WoD, but they have more than made up for it with Legion.

You don't like it, that's fine but it is a very very good game and an amazing bounceback success coming off WoD.

I for one am hoping Nostalrius just reopens so people can stop making up nonsense about Blizzard because there are a few hundred thousand people who want to play legacy.

[Docholy]

This goes back to what I said. The new devs are cunts and trying to stop legacy from spawning. Why? Because they would have to admit the new game they made is shit.

That was said by a founding member of Blizzard. Can you guys please stop embarrassing yourself? Its really difficult to read these forums any more.
You say shit about Blizzard that is objectively false.

The game isn't shit, nothing Blizzard make is. It sells more than most games in the market do and have concurrent playerbases higher than most of their competition.
The people who work on and develop WoW are very passionate about the game and want to see it improve.
Some times they do poorly like they did in WoD, but they have more than made up for it with Legion.

You don't like it, that's fine but it is a very very good game and an amazing bounceback success coming off WoD.

I for one am hoping Nostalrius just reopens so people can stop making up nonsense about Blizzard because there are a few hundred thousand people who want to play legacy.

Metro I can't say I agree. Though my statement was to broad I still stand by it. I have no doubt the new (Unoriginal devs) are not willing to admit they were responsible for the decline in the game. As far as what role the OG devs played in this games decline I can only assume they were greenlighting what ever the new devs convinced them the "new gamer" wants.

I truely do not understand how people can stand by blizzard. People have been burned to many times. The game has taken the wrong direction since the 2nd patch of Cata (arguably earlier) in nearly all substantial categories.

The game has had great QOL improvements over the years but it still had a declining raiding scene, dungeon scene, tradeskill scene and the few people left behind are (mostly); The OCD collector of everything, the person who was not good until Blizzard dumbed down the game now that player is convinced the old content was easy and they are god players now, The pet collector, the ALToholic, the Achievement whore, the gold horder, the sunk cost fallacy player who has been around since Wrath, the player who wants everything in a few weeks, the I bought everything in the in-game store tool, the "I love facebook games" player and any of the above combination player.

[metrolol]

You should check out Legion if you think raiding, dungeons, and professions have declined. Dungeons especially have only gotten better since CMs in MoP.
WAY more competitive content in the game than there is in Classic.
If anything, its classic that is more suited for casuals.
That's the main reason I enjoy Classic so much actually.
For me, the live game is hyper competitive in so many ways.
In Classic, I can explore the world I haven't seen in so many years and take my time leveling.
Leveling itself takes most people weeks of played time, where in Live its just an afterthought towards getting ready for raiding asap.
If anything, I see way more casuals on Nostalrius than I see on Live. The amount of people on the server was a very high number, yet the amount of them that weren't 60 was unbelievable. That should say a LOT about what Classic focuses on, and about how few people were in a rush to get to the "hard" content. It is so much easier to find people for a Mythic+ dungeon than it was for dungeons I wanted to do, but a lot of that is the QoL features you described.

Either way, I enjoy both equally, and can EASILY support Blizzard. I have enjoyed Hearthstone, Heroes of the Storm, and Diablo all enough to credit them as a quality studio.
But World of Warcraft itself is undefinable.
You think things have declined because you don't play it serious, but for some one who has been raiding with the same group for 8 years, I understand the true value the game has developed.
WoD was a massive massive disappointment, but everything I have played from Blizzard in my entire life has been worth every penny.
Legion is easily the best expansion ever released, especially coming off WoD, and its really hard for me to justify spending any time on Classic, but I know just how amazing getting back into the Nost community would be if they relaunched.
I tried to play Kronos, but have been 39 for weeks now, and just can't bring myself to care about that server. Its odd, because there is nothing fundamentally wrong with it, I just know in the back of my head that if Nost comes back, no other server will matter any more.

If anything, I find it hard to understand how anyone with an open mind COULDN'T support Blizzard. I honestly thing everyone here just hates of them because its the cool thing to do. If you attended Blizzcon or watched it this weekend you would see how much they care about committing to quicker content cycles and the community in general.
They announced content for 3 subsequent patches when the entirety of the first raid tier isn't even playable yet. That is the most content we have ever known about at one time and the things they continue to add are really impressive considering how well systems like Mythic+ have worked out so far.

People here act like they don't care about the community because they refuse to spend resources on Legacy, but you have to understand just how small this community actually is.
300k people signed a petition. That is really nothing. The Nost twitter doesn't even have 30k. I know multiple wow youtubers who have 300k.
There are quite a lot of people who would play on Nostalrius, but it is not enough to justify a response when Blizzard is laser focused on the next year+ of Legion in order to mend their wounds from WoD.

Satisfying the 10~ million people who purchased Legion is far more important than the few hundred thousand who signed a petition.

I think the best solution is Nost just reopen, so people can stop channeling so much hate into Blizzard, especially so blindly.
Nothing personal, but your original comment about something you clearly knew nothing about is exemplary of the lack of respect and patience this community has developed. You should be happy Blizzard even takes the time to have a convention, and you should be happy Nostalrius has taken the time to make such a great server without any monetary gains.

Both teams care very much about their product, and anyone who can't see that is not looking through clear lenses.

[Docholy]

You should check out Legion if you think raiding, dungeons, and professions have declined. Dungeons especially have only gotten better since CMs in MoP.
WAY more competitive content in the game than there is in Classic.
If anything, its classic that is more suited for casuals.
That's the main reason I enjoy Classic so much actually.
For me, the live game is hyper competitive in so many ways.
In Classic, I can explore the world I haven't seen in so many years and take my time leveling.
Leveling itself takes most people weeks of played time, where in Live its just an afterthought towards getting.

I can't address your points without going into a rant Metro. Just remember for all the noise you make about Nost milking their numbers, so to does Blizzard. If any China based player has a penny on his or her account they are considered active players. The 2.5 million sub numbers are what US and EU players actually play.

I can't say more without ranting.

[Fagatron]

The thing for me never was that i hated blizz.
I guess Legion is a step into the right direction, that doesnt change the fact that it is an entirely different game.
The question is not what game is more casual, because you can play classic wow just as casual or hardcore as you can play live wow.
Your statement that the majority of nost population was below 60 is completely irrelevant to the question how hardcore the population was. The pure fact that people download a 10 year old game and play it on a private server is hardcore enough.

While i do agree that the hate towards blizzard is not justified i feel like its hard not to be salty about the complete ignorance towards the topic. I think you are not aware just how much demand there is for legacy.
Take a look at this http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/984270/

Whats the biggest thread on the OFFICIAL wow General Discussion board?
Yes right, its Legacy. Which is already insane because only people that have a RUNNING subscription can post in the offical forum of wow.
Most Legacy fans do NOT have that and therefor those almost 1700 replies are from legion players.

We are way beyond the point of questioning the legitimacy of Legacy servers or questioning its demand.

If you are still thinking this community is "small" as you describe it.... you are either dellusional or you have not been checking the facts.
Trying to compare sub numbers of a 1year old somewhat illegal secretive project with almost no commercial except Reddit and spread of the word to wow Youtubers who are out there for YEARS and YEARS and have promotional sponsorships ETC makes no sense at all.

What brings me to the conclusion that Blizzard has other reasons not to talk about legacy servers.
Maybe they fear decline of legion playerbase (that would surely happen) which would also bring a decline in micro transactions since they wouldnt be able to implement this in "legacy" servers (that would go against the concept)

[metrolol]

I never said they milked their numbers, and it doesn't matter if Blizzard does either.
The number of people on Nostalrius are not enough to be on Blizzard's radar right now. They have a serious crisis to handle with their primary product and every second of development time needs to go towards that.
Neither of us have any proof of the amount of WoW subs currently, nor does it matter. Its a LOT more than signed that petition, and a LOT of the people who did are already subbed.
It is simply not financially feasible for them to spend time on Legacy atm, and the only course of action is for Nost to re open with or without their blessing.

I just want to see Blizzard and Nost both receive the respect they deserve. Its incredibly onesided towards Nost here, and the opposite on Live.
Its not fair to either party when the other's community is so jaded, especially when they know almost nothing about the things they are saying.

Its just childish, and I am embarrassed to be a part of it, frankly.
I really hope it ends once Nost makes their announcement, but I'm sure it never will.
I will always cringe whenever World chat gets into a discussion about live wow, because everyone who participates has never taken the time to play either version of the game serious enough to cast an opinion.

[Fagatron]

I never said they milked their numbers, and it doesn't matter if Blizzard does either.
The number of people on Nostalrius are not enough to be on Blizzard's radar right now. They have a serious crisis to handle with their primary product and every second of development time needs to go towards that.
Neither of us have any proof of the amount of WoW subs currently, nor does it matter. Its a LOT more than signed that petition, and a LOT of the people who did are already subbed.
It is simply not financially feasible for them to spend time on Legacy atm, and the only course of action is for Nost to re open with or without their blessing.

I just want to see Blizzard and Nost both receive the respect they deserve. Its incredibly onesided towards Nost here, and the opposite on Live.
Its not fair to either party when the other's community is so jaded, especially when they know almost nothing about the things they are saying.

Its just childish, and I am embarrassed to be a part of it, frankly.
I really hope it ends once Nost makes their announcement, but I'm sure it never will.
I will always cringe whenever World chat gets into a discussion about live wow, because everyone who participates has never taken the time to play either version of the game serious enough to cast an opinion.

So what i got out of this is you saying the Legion players are more than legacy players so its not financially feasible?
First off, you cant compare an officially launched game that has been out there for 10 years + to 1 private server.
Second, I honestly dont care about people bashing legion or vanilla but i do agree that most of the time this "legacy vs retail" has gone way too far and frankly its partly Blizzards fault for not shedding any light on this issue.

The financial part of actually making legacy servers happen is 0 problem at all. nost has 10k players + online
Lets say 2500 of those 10k play retail legacy.
Thats 2500x13 euro sub = 32500 monthly.

And thats not even including the millions of ppl that unsubbed between 2008 - 2015
And thats not even including all the other Private Servers for Vanilla TBC and Wotlk that exist.

The only reason that the release of Legacy servers could be considered "not finanically feasible" would be the fear that Legion players switched to older content and thus less room for micro trasaction money.