About flying mounts and WPVP

[Nano]

This thread is a little early since we do not (yet) have a TBC realm. While it's clear that Flying mounts made Wpvp worse, flying is a core part of the TBC experience. There a lot of quests that require flight and some locations you cannot get to without a flying mount. If we were to completely remove flight from the game we would also have to complete change the landscape of the continent and that's just not something that is a reasonable use of developer time, not to mention it's not "blizzlike".

[Forcerius]

Its more about the terrain than the mounts. Blizzard should have designed the world with incentive (like a small area saturated with resources) as opposed to battlegrounds or arena for people to fight over. Battlegrounds are illogical and unnecessary relative to the game world, and it affects the feel of the game, more towards artificial than immersive. Right now, there's valuable zones, but nothing worth "camping" because all the zones have the same resource layout with no saturated hotspots to conquer. With incentive, pvp becomes meaningful, dynamic, and closer to the idea of war, as opposed to a "scripted" match like a battlegrounds basketball game. Orcs don't care about a stealing a stupid flag, they want gold and minerals. If the world has incentive, then PVP will be good regardless of flying mounts. Unless the terrain or rewards that are meant to be difficult are nullified by flying over it. And that's what Blizzard should have done instead of making quantum arenas that have no rational reason to exist in the World of Warcraft.

[deathmeter]

WPvP didn't hardly exist in TBC. Blizz tried making some objective type WPvP but it didn't really work out cept for the Nagrand WPvP.

The great thing about world PvP was that it was a two sided street. You would look at your opponent, your opponent would look at you. One of you is going to decide to kill each other, or just avoid each other. In TBC, this setup is completely gone if you have a flying mount. And the only WPvP that exists is when someone is questing and you fly down and start with the ganking, kill him then fly back up to wait again for him.

[Robotron]

This thread is a little early since we do not (yet) have a TBC realm. While it's clear that Flying mounts made Wpvp worse, flying is a core part of the TBC experience. There a lot of quests that require flight and some locations you cannot get to without a flying mount. If we were to completely remove flight from the game we would also have to complete change the landscape of the continent and that's just not something that is a reasonable use of developer time, not to mention it's not "blizzlike".

Yeah, nobody in their right mind could ask for flying mounts to not be in TBC. It's just stuff that comes with the territory. TBC still had stuff that required you to leave Shat quite a bit, and there's always good old IQD. It wasn't until Wrath/Cata with "teleportation buttons" that really killed WPVP.

Vanilla WPVP is, and always will be, unique, though. That's just the way this shit works.

[Thefeelofcotton]

For me, flying mounts (and the skill to use them) were just a gold sink. They made the price pretty steep because of all the day 1 players who had thousands of gold just laying around. Also, I agree with what other people have said about not being able to "enjoy the ride" so to speak. Flying by on a gryffon and seeing horde lowbies do thier thing in Barrens or thousand needles was pretty cool as an ally player.

I didn't really like the aspect of flying, it got boring to me and I also agree that it somewhat killed the sense of community. The main that killed the community was the dungeon finder. Just sat back in que and waited for a party (unless you were a tank of course). Gone were the days when you'd find a good VC or Stocks group and add them to your friends list for later dungeon runs. That's how I made friends in WoW, that's how the community was developed.

[hasseoliver]

It killed wpvp. I'd rather have flightpaths to those areas u can't reach without flying mount.

[Melgarh]

Nagrand wPVP was actually pretty fun and when it did happen, you could see far and wide (in chats) that people were trying to rush in from both sides to get their chance on the tokens!

Also, as a druid, I've had a great time flying in flight form, moonfrying all those ppl and shaping back in the bird Plus moonkins were actually fully playable (Season 3 - Vengenful gladiator's Battle staff awww yeah!).

[Rexxar]

Kungen talks about the exact thing in his video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MNFWhCw8dg

I +1 for no Flying mounts, instead give ground mounts +speed if you have extra flying skill learned, yes, it sounds costum non-blizzlike crap, BUT remember, WorldPvP was destroyed when flying was introduced.

TBC will be fun anyways, but what more fun would it be with being in danger all the time, even as a max lvl raiding character, that still has to be on ground and can be ganked by other group.

I really doubt Nostalrius will go non-blizzlike route just to save WPvP, but yeah, that would be awesome.
- How about, Nostalrius releases flying when Sunwell is released? - Because everyone would be on the Isle where no flying would be allowed, so WPvP would happen there and lot's would still be in Outlands where they could finally fly .

No flying for some time would really give a FRESH new gameplay in Outlands. - Yes you can ignore flying mounts, but others in the sky will force you to fly, also people will randomly swoop by and gank you from sky instead of being able to see enemy in the distance running towards you..

[Anubizkai]

Flying mount not only kill Wpvp, it also kills the lvling exprience/ quest exprience.

what u have 2 do, u check the quest coordinate code, fight to there, and kill the NPC, quest done.

For those unaccessable territory, its not very hard 2 add some portal, i guess

[Hamuki]

Why dont everyone just calm down.

The flying is only in outland, and its kinda needed for the whole TBC experience.
This is a blizz-like server and its damn good.

I think it will be just fine.. And if you dislike it because the WPVP will be "Ruined" then stay in Vanilla like you want.