Please end this. For the love of god.

[LordBelgish]

My return to the game had to do with a friend of mine passing, and I wanted to relive everything like it was, 12 years ago
But I guess like society, most of it all has turned from "Lets do this as a group" to "Whats in it for me?"

The whole nostalgia-trip was ended just beacuse of that word, thats all Im saying.
I never saw a single "RESERVED" post back in the days, honestly.

Good realisation, You're entirely right.
I had stopped playing World of Warcraft years ago, ICC era. The direction the game had taken for a couple of patches by then was: General world/professions/quests/dungeons will be mind numbingly easy, with the very niche hard modes being the sole purpose of the game. It was... ok, for a bit, then it became an exercise of logging in to hear guild chat bitching about what needs to be done to be 'server first', while having little to no fun. I keep checking news about retail every now and then, and it's only followed the same trend deeper and deeper.

I joined this server trying to see first hand those vanilla days that I barely even touched in retail but that I had read so much about. It's not at all what I initially thought, for the exact same reason you've outlined: People.

You can't simply have fun discovering a new raid with funny specs and a jovial joking lasting community of friends. Instead, the server functions as a poorman's mythic raiding competition, with minmaxing tryharding being widespread, loot obsession (just go one day to Ironforge and see the amount of behind-the-back bitching raiders do because their guild gave DFT to a fury warrior instead of me, da 1 tr00 rogue of l33t dmg), including this reserved crap, and so many more things.

I've come to understand that vanilla WoW will never come back, it will never be relived. I simply missed it and now I can't play it. Pity, first time I have that problem with a game since I still play 1990s games. Game being multiplayer forces you to deal with society, and that entails dealing with the bubonic plague.

Didn't log in at all today.

You do realize that during vanilla there were guilds that required you to install snooping addons that reported your inventory, build and what not to the guild leader, right? I remember a particular case where a priest got kicked out of his guild because he dared to spec shadow for something.
And if you had an issue you were better ready to describe it in great detail because if you posted a screenshot on the forums, you'd get three pages flaming your UI.
Tryhards and WoW are like fire and gasoline.

[zmandude24]

The answer is not to join those runs. Many people including myself will reserve things like flask recipes and important mats for gear. However, there are some retarded reserved runs like "LFM Onyxia's Lair, need 2 tanks, 5 heals, and 15 dps (T2 Warrior helm reserved)", and lets not forget the Rend runs with Dal Rend reserved. I just laugh at those runs and wish them good luck finding people. They will never do anything about it and the best option is to form your own groups.

[smilkovpetko]

by LordBelgish » Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:53 am
I remember a particular case where a priest got kicked out of his guild because he dared to spec shadow for something

100% you never been vanilla player , because this exist only for mages to respec frost/fire but nobody else was forced on anything .

There was always wrong and good specs in all guilds including top 10 world guilds.

[Ravni]

Reserving items is simply an efficient way to align mutual interests. What people complaining about it don't understand - and this is just complete idiocy - is that these raids wouldn't even be happening in the first place if those items couldn't be reserved. You are not choosing between having a dungeon/raid with reserves to a run without, you are choosing between a raid with reserves or no raid at all.

Do you really think there is a snowball's chance in hell that a full BWL-geared tank who needs nothing in MC besides bindings is going to organize a PUG, bring a dozen of his full BWL-geared friends who also don't need any loot, lead the raid, handle player checks, handle loot distribution, etc. if he wasn't able to reserve those bindings? Of course not. All of those PUG MCs you see advertised would never even happen.

So yeah, warriors/rogues who were really counting on being able to pug their Thunderfury are going to have their dreams shattered, and yet somehow, magically, rogues & warriors are the classes that you'll always have the least trouble filling up in an MC pug.

Generally stupid reserves like LF2M casters for Rend run Briarwood reserved, or LFM DPS for DME Magister farming, Mindtap reserved - shit like that is going to struggle to ever find people precisely because mutual interests don't intersect.

[Oyani]

Hola

I started a warrior couple of days ago.
My background, well, I started playing WoW the day it came out back in.. 04? Or w/e it was.

Anyway, I had the time of my life.
Killin and running in elwynn forest.
Ran into a guy who I partied up with

Then. It was time to go to Stormwind.

The first thing I see in /2 is following "LFM Onyxia (some random item) RESERVED)

Reserving items.
End it.
Somehow.
I fuckin beg you.

Why should you somewhat ban it? It ruins the game.
Its like I'm saying to my friends, "If we ever find a dollar, its mine, I have reserved it. Ok? Otherwise I wont come."

You know what I mean

/Amanday

I agree, reserving is for pussies. It's a new phenomenon that didn't exist in retail because back then people didn't take the game as seriously, i guess. Then again if you reserve items, you're less likely to get a group going and will look for people longer, also making you look like a fool for a longer time.

[Dr. Doom]

Do you really think there is a snowball's chance in hell that a full BWL-geared tank who needs nothing in MC besides bindings is going to organize a PUG, bring a dozen of his full BWL-geared friends who also don't need any loot, lead the raid, handle player checks, handle loot distribution, etc. if he wasn't able to reserve those bindings? Of course not. All of those PUG MCs you see advertised would never even happen.

Long ago, I used to pug ZG and AQ20. I had the full R13 set (my char was exp locked at 60), I didn't need any main gear pieces, I got the Heart of Hakkar in like the 2nd/3rd run I did. I kept organizing them for a few more weeks just because I liked getting 15 people (to amount for the stronger talents and mechanics) level 57-63 people who by then were only looking into Outland questing to experience content that was already forgotten. It was hard to get likeminded people, it was fun to see them struggle for the first time with the game, and it was rewarding to me to know that I got a group of people to do something that wouldn't have happened without me taking a couple of hours of my life to build that little group. Just like most retroraiders in BC/wotlk, the point of it for mewasn't to get shinier purples (I could have logged into the other characters I had at level 70/80 and do heroics for that), but just to try to experience a videogame that was skipped and invisible to most, yet still fun to tinker with.

This is a private server where you can't even link official armories for the 15 minutes of e-bragging. There is a TBC server in the works that a big part of the population will jump into once it's out, a server where Hellfire Peninsula/Zangarmarsh/Nagrand quest rewards will trump a good portion of the raid pieces they had previously obtained in this vanilla server. This is even less serious than retail retroraiding was between 2007-2010 when I did it.

For the life of me, I can't understand why people from raiding guilds have to message me to help them do a level 60 5 man, because "the tanks in my guild only raidlog and won't help me".

Or rather I do understand it, and that's why I don't join a raiding guild to begin with here. Being a lootwhore, selfish tiny person who doesn't flinch a finger unless he's bribed somehow, in a minuscule game that people remember fondly in the first place not because it was super shiny nor complex, but because there was a good social and friendly part to it, is understandable. It simply means you're a laughable twit.


Eh, nevermind really.

[Dr. Doom]

You do realize that during vanilla there were guilds that required you to install snooping addons that reported your inventory, build and what not to the guild leader, right? I remember a particular case where a priest got kicked out of his guild because he dared to spec shadow for something.
And if you had an issue you were better ready to describe it in great detail because if you posted a screenshot on the forums, you'd get three pages flaming your UI.
Tryhards and WoW are like fire and gasoline.

That's pretty dissapointing. Guess I naively believed the feedback from other people regarding retail vanilla endgame.
Oh well.

[LordBelgish]

by LordBelgish » Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:53 am
I remember a particular case where a priest got kicked out of his guild because he dared to spec shadow for something

100% you never been vanilla player , because this exist only for mages to respec frost/fire but nobody else was forced on anything .

There was always wrong and good specs in all guilds including top 10 world guilds.

Please tell me more about what I have and what I haven't seen.

[Basara]

If u dont like it make your own pug or stop being hypocrite saying "uh ohh I dont care about loot and playing shouldnt be about it but those bastards reserve some loot so I wont join them because it ruins my gameplay !"

[Dr. Doom]

If u dont like it make your own pug or stop being hypocrite saying "uh ohh I dont care about loot and playing shouldnt be about it but those bastards reserve some loot so I wont join them because it ruins my gameplay !"

That's what I do, and what everyone in my guild does, and everyone in my friend list does. The practise of reserved items won't stop, people being what people are, so you're correct there, trying to avoid it as much as possible is the only way to tread about it.