TBC vs. Vanilla

[Dr. Doom]

I understand the discussion when it comes to good/bad features and whatnot, but it leads to another question...

I'm assuming Legacy servers would be the original "blizzlike" forms - the good with the bad. I wouldn't want them to re-imagine any of the expansions - just give me what they gave us the first go around. I enjoyed it all the way through WoTLK.

Am I the only one that thinks of Legacy (Vanilla, TBC, and WoTLK) in that way?

Sure, just no need for wotlk. A casualfest expansion that ended in ICC mania, with all previous raids rendered useless.

There's a very real problem with the TBC nerfs though. Starting from 2.1 and all the way till the end, nerfing heroics and raids was regular business. Magtheridon's Lair being the saddest case of the bunch, but practically every raid getting affected. Legacy servers should really reverse this, since the expac will not move on, and there's no reason to speed people's progress.

[shawtylow]

I'm generally in the vanilla camp. There were a few things I really liked in TBC, but for everything that I liked, there were two things that I hated, it seems like. Kinda briefly summing it up:

Good:
More viable raiding specs
Greater depth to 10 man content
Better questing

Bad:
No 40 man raids
Flying Mounts
Horde paladins/Alliance shamans
Worse art style
Arenas/esports pandering
Resilience
General fourth-wall breaking stuff, like difficulty modes for dungeons
Daily quests making the economy less interesting

[Docholy]

Just releasing near identical games to the original on a time table identical to content patches and expacs. I say near identical because people found a number of exploits that (at times) took a long time to fix, exploits many more people will be aware of and use. Exploits I'd like removed before they even surface. Releasing legacy servers and keeping the server in that game forever isn't a bad option as long as they offer people the chance to migrate another expac.

[Hernia]

I'd be okay with moving up an expansion or two if Blizzard agrees to not nerf the shit out of all their content again. It's not that hard, just don't fucking slash a boss's HP by 30% again.

[Xaverius]

esports pandering

I'm pretty sure that Bli$$ard focusing on the pvp/esports aspect after they made wow is what killed their singleplayer games.

the good with the bad. I wouldn't want them to re-imagine any of the expansions - just give me what they gave us the first go around.

Indeed. And including the corrupted blood epidemic, because that's exactly my kind of world event (the best one is still war effort and AQ opening).


P.S.: Burn me at a stake, but I don't mind flying mounts on TBC. They're expensive, at max level only and restricted to Outland, not that much of a difference.
Also I don't mind heroics either . At least there's something new to farm up after hitting 70... in this regard Cata onwards fails, as the heroic drops are the exact same items as on normals, just with higher stats, and where's the fun in that.

[Zanbaka]

While I had my share of fun on Nost vanilla, now that I've played on TBC and WOTLK private servers after the shutdown, I've come to realize that playing Vanilla is kind of like driving an old beat up car.

While reading through this post, a lot of people who complain about certain aspects of TBC that would probably be a lot different on a private server, just like they were different on Nost.

[Jeniwyn]

If I could have my wet dream it would be all instances and raids slowly introduced into the vanilla environment. I'm not silly enough to think that would ever happen though.

If I ever win a billion in a lottery, then maybe.

[Kadmium]

The dreadful armor and weapon art in TBC... They looked the best in vanilla and wotlk imo.

I know this will never happen but id prefer a vanilla server with no instances of any kind, no bgs, no raids, just a big fat open world.

[Thefilth]

I understand the discussion when it comes to good/bad features and whatnot, but it leads to another question...

I'm assuming Legacy servers would be the original "blizzlike" forms - the good with the bad. I wouldn't want them to re-imagine any of the expansions - just give me what they gave us the first go around. I enjoyed it all the way through WoTLK.

Am I the only one that thinks of Legacy (Vanilla, TBC, and WoTLK) in that way?

WOTLK would have been pretty awesome if it wasn't for:
1) Vehicles being a) crazy, b) a complete removal of your own character, an MMORPG is about character development
2) Trial of the Crusader, the worst raid ever made
3) The introduction of "normal / heroic mode"
4) The introduction of 10/25 man modes (ignoring Karazhan and Zul'aman)
5) The introduction of 12 month long gaps between real content
6) Death Knights, the "hero class". Argueing that it's fine that DKs were completely and utterly broken in arena and the only reason why the gladiator title had to be permanently removed from the 2v2 bracket, just so this "hero class" could stay heroic and superior to everything else, disgusts me even to this day.
7) The vandalising of the otherwise legendary Naxxramas

The ball was already dropped in TBC, with the permanent removal of gated raiding instances (attunements, you had to complete T5 to enter T6 content) and the lol-casuals-now-murder-every-boss-cuz-we-nerfed-everything-by-30-% patch. Not gonna lie, it was awesome to kill Kil'jaeden, after Sunwell destroyed multiple guilds I was a part of. But I never earned that kill.
M'uru probably should have been nerfed, sure, but the rest was fine.

[Fatherben]

I don't know. My main memory of TBC is doing dailies: flying around, bombing stuff, trying to not get dismounted from cannons. That might be my worst WoW memory. And grinding rep to do heroic dungeons. There were cool things about it like some of the raids, but I missed out by being in college at the time.

I would be fine with playing TBC as long as my char progresses through all of vanilla first. Wrath would be the last expansion for me as far as legacy servers go.