Proposal for changes to Vanilla

[Winterflaw]

Leave it.....it's vanilla and that's why we come

Exactly, if you change it, its not Vanilla, if you guys want improvements, go play some custom private server or retail, people want vanilla, as it was, just like Nost.

Which vesion of Vanilla are you hoping Bliz will release? 1.12.1, TBC, etc?

[Roadbl0ck]

Leave it.....it's vanilla and that's why we come

Exactly, if you change it, its not Vanilla, if you guys want improvements, go play some custom private server or retail, people want vanilla, as it was, just like Nost.

Which vesion of Vanilla are you hoping Bliz will release? 1.12.1, TBC, etc?

Where's the facepalm ascii art when you need it.

[Winterflaw]

Which vesion of Vanilla are you hoping Bliz will release? 1.12.1, TBC, etc?

Where's the facepalm ascii art when you need it.

Mark Kern is currently running a survey/question which amongst other things is asking about which version of "Vanilla" should be released by Bliz. Whether it should be 1.12.1, whether it should progress, etc. There appear to be distinct groups of players, each preferring a particular version.

[Nohansen]

TBC is TBC, Vanilla is Vanilla.

[naapsuland]

why you asking for shanges? vanilla wow is good like it is, no need for shanges

[Winterflaw]

TBC is TBC, Vanilla is Vanilla.

If progression is implemented, then Vanilla becomes TBC.

Some players are asking for Vanilla in the first instance - others for TBC. Some wish for a server for each.

This is relevant because it is change - something which most everyone who has posted has said they do not want.

[Roadbl0ck]

There's two forms of "progression".
- Progressively unlocking content within the same "expansion" general frame.
For vanilla WoW (the first ever installment of the game) that would mean mimicking the patch progression of the original game over 1 and 1/2 to 2 years.
- Progressing to the next expansion when the previous one has finished its patch progression for a bit, ie opening TBC etc.

Now depending on how you do (or do not) implement each kind of progression there's still several questions to be answered, without mixing apples with oranges like you did.

Examples
Option 1:
- Vanilla releases "complete" at 1.12.1 (the last patch in original WoW before the TBC pre-patch)
All original content is available to play and it stays like that indefinitely (for as long as there's interest).
- Maybe TBC and Wrath realms also release "complete" (at their last respective patch)
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Option 2: (what Nostalrius was shooting for)
- Vanilla releases at patch 1.2 (content-wise) meaning not all content is available and gradually goes through the initial patch progression until 1.12.1.
- After Vanilla realm has completed its patch cycle, TBC realm opens at TBC starting patch (content-wise) and goes through progressive unlock of TBC content until its final patch.
- Players that have a max level character on Vanilla realms when TBC realms open, are offered an option to copy their character to the TBC realm and progress with that copy through TBC.
The original character remains on Vanilla realm to continue playing whenever the nostalgia hits.

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Option n:
- Pick a model of content unlock within an expansion (including the "all content available at start" option).
- Pick a mode of moving from expansion to expansion (eg, transfer character, copy character, realm itself "dings")
- Pick a mode of content reset or what happens with legacy realms that have been out a while (eg. they are closed, they have their progress wiped "season style", they are merged into other legacy realms)

PS.
Vanilla timeline:

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1.2 (month and a half after release)
- Maraudon is introduced:
- Gurubashi Arena Event
- The first Feast of Great-Winter Event
1.3 (two and a half months since last major patch)
- Dire Maul
- Azuregos
- Lord Kazzak
1.4 (one month after last patch)
- Epic Priest quest introduced
- Epic Hunter quest introduced
- PvP Honor System introduced
1.5 (two months after last patch)
- Battlegrounds are introduced:
- - Alterac Valley
- - Warsong Gulch
- All members of both the Horde and Alliance are reporting low stockpiles of various textile resources! Donations of cloth are now being accepted in the following locations: Darnassus, Stormwind, and Ironforge for the Alliance; Orgrimmar, Undercity, and Thunder Bluff for the Horde. Seek out an official Cloth Quartermaster for more information.
1.6 (one and a half months after last patch)
- Blackwing Lair introduced
- Darkmoon Faire introduced
- Battlemasters introduced
1.7 (two months after last patch)
- Zul'Gurub (new 20-player raid instance)
- Arathi Basin (15-player resource battleground instance)
- Stranglethorn Fishing Extravaganza
1.8 (one month)
- Dragons of Nightmare - The four corrupted dragons from the Emerald Dream.
- Silithus - Totally revamped zone for level 60 solo players and 5-man parties.
1.9 (two and a half months)
- Love is in the Air - Valentine's Day support.
- The Ruins of Ahn'Qiraj (outdoor 20-player instance)
- The Temple of Ahn'Qiraj (indoor 40-player instance)
1.10 (two and a half months)
- Weather effects
- Tier 0.5 armor sets, relevant questlines and new summonable bosses.
1.11 (three months)
- Naxxramas, (40-player raid instance), a massive necropolis floating above Stratholme
1.12 (two months)
- World Outdoor PvP enhancements
- Cross-Realm Battlegrounds

Do you understand wtf we're talking about now?

[Drain]

I like how long those bars are on MoP/WoD.

Funeral song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI7F98WJ7Bg

[melak]

Leave it.....it's vanilla and that's why we come

Exactly, if you change it, its not Vanilla, if you guys want improvements, go play some custom private server or retail, people want vanilla, as it was, just like Nost.

Which vesion of Vanilla are you hoping Bliz will release? 1.12.1, TBC, etc?

Vanilla is pre all expansions, and i dont see a reason to go with anything except the ones everyone is using including Nost (1.12)

[melak]

TBC is TBC, Vanilla is Vanilla.

If progression is implemented, then Vanilla becomes TBC.

Some players are asking for Vanilla in the first instance - others for TBC. Some wish for a server for each.

This is relevant because it is change - something which most everyone who has posted has said they do not want.

If they are stupid enough to force the entire server over to BC then yes it becomes BC, a more likely scenario in that case (if we get progressive), is that that you can choose to copy over whenever you feel like it.