metrolol wrote:You should check out Legion if you think raiding, dungeons, and professions have declined. Dungeons especially have only gotten better since CMs in MoP.
WAY more competitive content in the game than there is in Classic.
If anything, its classic that is more suited for casuals.
That's the main reason I enjoy Classic so much actually.
For me, the live game is hyper competitive in so many ways.
In Classic, I can explore the world I haven't seen in so many years and take my time leveling.
Leveling itself takes most people weeks of played time, where in Live its just an afterthought towards getting ready for raiding asap.
If anything, I see way more casuals on Nostalrius than I see on Live. The amount of people on the server was a very high number, yet the amount of them that weren't 60 was unbelievable. That should say a LOT about what Classic focuses on, and about how few people were in a rush to get to the "hard" content. It is so much easier to find people for a Mythic+ dungeon than it was for dungeons I wanted to do, but a lot of that is the QoL features you described.
Either way, I enjoy both equally, and can EASILY support Blizzard. I have enjoyed Hearthstone, Heroes of the Storm, and Diablo all enough to credit them as a quality studio.
But World of Warcraft itself is undefinable.
You think things have declined because you don't play it serious, but for some one who has been raiding with the same group for 8 years, I understand the true value the game has developed.
WoD was a massive massive disappointment, but everything I have played from Blizzard in my entire life has been worth every penny.
Legion is easily the best expansion ever released, especially coming off WoD, and its really hard for me to justify spending any time on Classic, but I know just how amazing getting back into the Nost community would be if they relaunched.
I tried to play Kronos, but have been 39 for weeks now, and just can't bring myself to care about that server. Its odd, because there is nothing fundamentally wrong with it, I just know in the back of my head that if Nost comes back, no other server will matter any more.
If anything, I find it hard to understand how anyone with an open mind COULDN'T support Blizzard. I honestly thing everyone here just hates of them because its the cool thing to do. If you attended Blizzcon or watched it this weekend you would see how much they care about committing to quicker content cycles and the community in general.
They announced content for 3 subsequent patches when the entirety of the first raid tier isn't even playable yet. That is the most content we have ever known about at one time and the things they continue to add are really impressive considering how well systems like Mythic+ have worked out so far.
People here act like they don't care about the community because they refuse to spend resources on Legacy, but you have to understand just how small this community actually is.
300k people signed a petition. That is really nothing. The Nost twitter doesn't even have 30k. I know multiple wow youtubers who have 300k.
There are quite a lot of people who would play on Nostalrius, but it is not enough to justify a response when Blizzard is laser focused on the next year+ of Legion in order to mend their wounds from WoD.
Satisfying the 10~ million people who purchased Legion is far more important than the few hundred thousand who signed a petition.
I think the best solution is Nost just reopen, so people can stop channeling so much hate into Blizzard, especially so blindly.
Nothing personal, but your original comment about something you clearly knew nothing about is exemplary of the lack of respect and patience this community has developed. You should be happy Blizzard even takes the time to have a convention, and you should be happy Nostalrius has taken the time to make such a great server without any monetary gains.
Both teams care very much about their product, and anyone who can't see that is not looking through clear lenses.
You're obviously biased, yet you're trying to look neutral and decrediting everyone on the opposing side.
But World of Warcraft itself is undefinable.
It isn't. It's an MMORPG. But yes, you're right that it doesn't really follow the traditions of a "classic" RPG anymore. Hardly any materials needed for anything, ruined immersion, no real class identities, etc etc.
You think things have declined because you don't play it serious, but for some one who has been raiding with the same group for 8 years, I understand the true value the game has developed.
You're merely ASSUMING noone on this forum does play legion seriously just because some people said they wouldn't support blizzard anymore and at the same time you're claiming to understand the "true" value of the game.
No. You found the value of the game for YOU. That's entirely subjective and the things you love about current WoW are things some people here hate about it.
I played every WoW expansion, I played both PvP and PvE and replayed the older content sometimes by visiting private servers like Arena-Tournament. I was in a competetive raiding guild for Cata to WoD and scored multiple Logs as well as Gladiator multiple times and I disagree with you.
The game got dumbed down in pretty much every aspect except for raiding which has developed for the better.
No buffs, debuffs anymore. The talent-tree might as well not exist. That thing is more of a tool to adjust your spells to a fight than "improving" your character.
Everything got moved to menus. Including looking for a dungeon, raid, quests, adjusting difficulty of a dungeon, queuing for a battleground, etc etc. Class identity doesn't exist. There aren't any meaningful differences among the classes and specs.
WoD was a massive massive disappointment, but everything I have played from Blizzard in my entire life has been worth every penny.
Legion is easily the best expansion ever released
That's good for you but that doesn't mean it's like this for every other person on this forum.
You're using the word "easily" a lot. I'm sure a lot of people rated TBC / Wotlk as the best expansion ever released.
If anything, I find it hard to understand how anyone with an open mind COULDN'T support Blizzard. I honestly thing everyone here just hates of them because its the cool thing to do.
It's not that hard really.
People here are mad at Blizzard because they shot down their favourite server with no apparent reason to do so.
Yes, they were in their RIGHT to do so.
But here's the thing. You have the rights to do a lot of things. But a wise man doesn't always exert his rights "just because he can".
And that's what Blizzard did. There was no "real" reason to shut down Nostalrius. The server didn't hurt them in any way because those people here either were already playing both versions of the game, or wouldn't play on retail either way.
This server was full of people that loved Blizzards game the way it used to be. This clearly shows they DO NOT care about their fanbase if that fanbase isn't throwing money at them. Otherwise there would have been no reason to shut down Nostalrius. They thought they could cash in some more money in some way if they shut this server down.
This server was a pure fanproject. It wasn't making any money, it just existed for the fans and Blizz decided to put an end to that.
There's the reason why people here hate Blizzard.
They announced content for 3 subsequent patches when the entirety of the first raid tier isn't even playable yet. That is the most content we have ever known about at one time
That's just plain wrong. Your first sentence contradicts your whole argument.
Planning ahead 3 patches "when the entirety of the first raid tier isn't even playable yet"
If something isn't playable yet, that's no content. Doesn't matter if you have plans for 2316 patches ahead. As long as players don't have access to that kind of content, it's no content at all.
IIRC you had access to ALL raids of TBC when TBC was released. That's the most content we have ever known about at one time to be honest.
People here act like they don't care about the community because they refuse to spend resources on Legacy, but you have to understand just how small this community actually is.
300k people signed a petition. That is really nothing.
300k is nothing now for a 1y old fan-project that spread by word alone? Let alone it being "illegal" and most people not wanting to touch on private server because of fear of viruses / being banned and not even mentioning the people that don't even know about private servers / Nostalrius.
Also people think Blizz doesn't care about them because they don't bother giving any clear answer at all instead of just saying the truth just so they don't risk another outrage.
Nothing personal, but your original comment about something you clearly knew nothing about is exemplary of the lack of respect and patience this community has developed. You should be happy Blizzard even takes the time to have a convention, and you should be happy Nostalrius has taken the time to make such a great server without any monetary gains.
I've not seen someone ranting about Nostalrius except maybe a few individuals.
You talk about respect but you yourself try to make yourself look like someone above us. Talking about finding the "True" (something we can't see) value of the game, how hard we are to understand and how legion is EASILY the best thing ever and how blizz CLEARLY cares about their community.
The Blizzcon MIGHT have been a sort of convention for fans, but if it is, why are we paying FOURTY bucks to watch a livestream of a show with blizz shutting down any private streams of it. Yes, they are in their rights again, but I don't see how Blizzcon is a pure fanproject and how we should be so happy about them taking the time to try and cash in on some more extra money.
The virtual BlizzCon ticket is 40 bucks. Gamescom doesn't charge anything, nor does the E3, nor does Dreamhack.
BlizzCon is just a show they use to hype up their games. Don't get me wrong. I'm sure the devs are passionate about the games they're making.
Its true that hating the devs isn't right, since they don't make the decisions on where to take their games (like WoW). I'm sure they just get a direction on where to take the game and then design the stuff needed.
But again, you can't tell me Blizzard hasn't become more and more greedy over time.
Cash shop in WoW. Changing systems to Lootboxes (More RNG = less chance to get what you want = more money spent). Selling tickets for a livestream.
Also, let's look at Diablo. All they made is some new levels and ONE new characterclass and the you have to pay for this new class.
LoD for D2 introduced way more classes AND new content for the same price in the same timespan of development. Shouldn't Blizz be faster on the patches and games as well considering their team is much larger now?
Anyway. There's your answer.
I'm happy you enjoy legion, but don't come here and try to tell us that Blizzard is absolutely innocent and that we should be loving them because they smashed a fanproject and are trying to gain more and more money (methods mentioned above)
