Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts

[Wrathran]

Did the staff ban for Songflower?

It's not like someone clicked this and suddenlty got banned out of the blue... Exactly what they did have not been confirmed.

"these players had multiple warnings on their accounts and were told that any further abuses would result in a permanent loss"

Source: https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... 31#p267031

by Nano » Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:02 pm

Even if something was possible on retail does not mean it isn't an exploit. There are a lot of things that we've fixed along the way that were possible in retail vanilla, even common use in retail vanilla, but that doesn't mean it isn't an exploit.

The end result is that these players had multiple warnings on their accounts and were told that any further abuses would result in a permanent loss of their character if they continued to pursue and intentionally use exploits. The players did continue to pursue and intentionally use exploits and were banned as promised. Any further threads on this topic will be locked as it is now considered spam.

[Mryul]

.. You don't need to "click it at the exactly same time"

There is a grace period for like 2-3 seconds. So effectively, if you are waiting for a flower to spawn with 10 other people.. YOU HAVE NO WAY OF CONTROLING WHO TAKES IT.

You can't ban people for something they have no control in. This as a rule, simply doesn't work.

I am not saying that the 3 people that were banned didn't deserve a ban. What I am saying is this: the songflower rule DOESN'T work. There are too many raiders that need this buff and too few flowers. There will always be a lot of people waiting for a flower to spawn and you have NO control over who takes it.

Nostalrius needs to either allow this or remove the buff entirely. The rule doesn't work.

[anterozz]

The Nihilum world first KT kill had songflower on the entire raid (along with literally every other world buff/consume possible of course). Multi-buffing songflower was standard procedure for all the top guilds back then.

Here's another guild commenting in Sept 2006 about their pre-buffing before first KT kill:

"Ya, 2x 1% wipes...go and get every buff you can get Tongue well no onyxia or nef cuz the heads were already up..so we went 2 felwood ;p managed to get the whole raid buffed at the same songflower. Fly 2 ogrimmar get a couple of zanza's + zg buff hand out new titans too everyone. HS too lhc get the north tower buff + use all other pots so we go in straight away."

http://www.andraste-guilde.com/index.php?topic=3997.15

If you do some google searching on songflower you can quickly see that this was a very common practice. So according to the retards on this forum, the entire Nihilum guild should have been banned for SERIOUS EXPLOIT (which allowed them world first kill!).

Who cares, this server will die before Naxx even comes out.

[Uzephi]

Hey, I just quoted an ownedcore post, maybe the script from live was "fixed" as he posted at a later vanilla patch to needing to be "at the exactly same time." Read that post. This "exploit" was posted on that site back in 2006 and said it was nerfed by Blizzard... Most likely because it was an exploit, but Blizzard did everything but compensate for lag and by the time it was fully fixed, they could put a level cap on it (63 iirc) as it was not relevant by then.

As most people in the topic have stated, it isn't that big of a deal, then don't spawn camp it and go without it! Or is it that game breaking of a buff you need it? Go get that "unfair advantage" others are claiming doesn't exist with these flowers then.

[Lifealert]

As most people in the topic have stated, it isn't that big of a deal, then don't spawn camp it and go without it! Or is it that game breaking of a buff you need it? Go get that "unfair advantage" others are claiming doesn't exist with these flowers then.

What are you even saying? Songflower is almost essential if you want to go anywhere as a guild.

[Mryul]

If you make a rule that makes you say "well, then don't take a buff" you're just admitted the rule doesn't work. Because then fucking NOBODY can take the buff. Because there will always be more than 1 person waiting for the spawn.

Thank you for admitting defeat.

[Uzephi]

As most people in the topic have stated, it isn't that big of a deal, then don't spawn camp it and go without it! Or is it that game breaking of a buff you need it? Go get that "unfair advantage" others are claiming doesn't exist with these flowers then.

What are you even saying? Songflower is almost essential if you want to go anywhere as a guild.

The Nope accounts didn't get banned for songflower serenade. It was the quest reward item of tubers.

If you really need to stack every buff to raid, I feel sorry for you. So you are saying the game, in it's created state of Vanilla needed all these exploits just to down bosses, because consumables (oils, elixirs, etc) that were stackable aren't enough to kill a boss? You need to min/max so much to down something as simple as T2?

If you feel you need to use "clever use of game mechanics" to beat a boss, go ahead, but do so with your head in shame.

In BWL on live, my guild only required the necessities, pots, buff reagents, flasks and oils. And we had it on farm. If you need to go out of your way and exploit to do T2, you're just sad.


Also, Lifealert...

A permaban for something so minor is unwarranted, especially against high profile members of the community. Duplicating gold is one thing, but farming tubers is another. Just as the staff unbanned Chinese wintraders (for really no logical reason) we must urge the staff to unban the nope members.

Last page. You yourself said this is minor, so don't sit there and pendulum from saying this isn't something important to "almost essential if you want to go anywhere as a guild.."

[Mryul]

Okay Uzephi you must be some special kind of retarded.

If you can't see why a rule that allows other people to ban you is retarded then you're fucking lost. Can't wait to level a rogue and stealth up next to you to pick a flower when you do and then report both of us.

You don't have any control over who picks the flower, so effectively a rule that prohibits multiple people picking the same flower doesn't work.

[anterozz]

As most people in the topic have stated, it isn't that big of a deal, then don't spawn camp it and go without it! Or is it that game breaking of a buff you need it? Go get that "unfair advantage" others are claiming doesn't exist with these flowers then.

What are you even saying? Songflower is almost essential if you want to go anywhere as a guild.

The Nope accounts didn't get banned for songflower serenade. It was the quest reward item of tubers.

If you really need to stack every buff to raid, I feel sorry for you. So you are saying the game, in it's created state of Vanilla needed all these exploits just to down bosses, because consumables (oils, elixirs, etc) that were stackable aren't enough to kill a boss? You need to min/max so much to down something as simple as T2?

If you feel you need to use "clever use of game mechanics" to beat a boss, go ahead, but do so with your head in shame.

In BWL on live, my guild only required the necessities, pots, buff reagents, flasks and oils. And we had it on farm. If you need to go out of your way and exploit to do T2, you're just sad.


Also, Lifealert...

A permaban for something so minor is unwarranted, especially against high profile members of the community. Duplicating gold is one thing, but farming tubers is another. Just as the staff unbanned Chinese wintraders (for really no logical reason) we must urge the staff to unban the nope members.

Last page. You yourself said this is minor, so don't sit there and pendulum from saying this isn't something important to "almost essential if you want to go anywhere as a guild.."

You just went full retard son, wouldn't surprise me if you're a wrathbaby or a catacuck.

[Noxm]

As most people in the topic have stated, it isn't that big of a deal, then don't spawn camp it and go without it! Or is it that game breaking of a buff you need it? Go get that "unfair advantage" others are claiming doesn't exist with these flowers then.

What are you even saying? Songflower is almost essential if you want to go anywhere as a guild.

The Nope accounts didn't get banned for songflower serenade. It was the quest reward item of tubers.

If you really need to stack every buff to raid, I feel sorry for you. So you are saying the game, in it's created state of Vanilla needed all these exploits just to down bosses, because consumables (oils, elixirs, etc) that were stackable aren't enough to kill a boss? You need to min/max so much to down something as simple as T2?

If you feel you need to use "clever use of game mechanics" to beat a boss, go ahead, but do so with your head in shame.

In BWL on live, my guild only required the necessities, pots, buff reagents, flasks and oils. And we had it on farm. If you need to go out of your way and exploit to do T2, you're just sad.


Also, Lifealert...

A permaban for something so minor is unwarranted, especially against high profile members of the community. Duplicating gold is one thing, but farming tubers is another. Just as the staff unbanned Chinese wintraders (for really no logical reason) we must urge the staff to unban the nope members.

Last page. You yourself said this is minor, so don't sit there and pendulum from saying this isn't something important to "almost essential if you want to go anywhere as a guild.."

Hey Uzephi are you retarded ?

Tubber mechanic = Serenade sonflower mechanic

Varth is correct - countdown clicking is a clear sign that the players were aware that this was an exploit. The item in question was meant to give a buff to a single person. Abusing lag to gain that buff for multiple characters at the same time is exploiting.

The GM team.

Source : https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... 07#p268109

"Abusing lag" /discuss