Nostalrius/MaNGOS/GPL

[mozibake]

That was me that wrote that they were obligated and I seem to have been mistaken. But still, the proper thing to do would be to release the changes they've made to MaNGOS on github or something. Some people seem to be confused and under the impression that that would also somehow mean releasing player data or would otherwise compromise the security of any future Nostalrius-clones but it's don't.

[FoeReaper_]

... otherwise compromise the security of any future Nostalrius-clones ...

If anything, it would make it easier AND MORE secure for others to set up their own "Nostalrius" clones. Don't really see an issue with releasing the source, it would actually be much appreciated But, I'm not going to hold my breath.

Who knows. If Blizz was to actually set up their own classic servers, in a completely proper and true state, with a stable environment and community, what would the point of the classic emulation scene be? Sure, you might have a few that still do not want to pay subs, but the majority of players (which I sincerely hope would be playing because vanilla was awesome) would leave the scene entirely. It would be pretty dead.

And I forgot to mention, if Blizz was to set up classic servers, then classic emulation would be fairly easy to do compared to chasing expansions. You wouldn't have to worry about getting sniffs and other needed information within a set time frame like you have to do between expansion cycles now. No more guesstimates, no more archive digging, you could simply log onto the classic servers and verify everything yourself. Which honestly would make the Nostalrius code completely worthless from a developers point of view.

[taurapo]

I'm pretty sure the Nostalrius devs are under no obligation to release their modifications to mangos as long as they don't distribute any binaries.

And that I did not write if you look closely. And if you want to be so precise, GPL just gives them the usage rights but not the copyrights. So unless they remove our code, we still have some rights. But again. Not the point, as mentioned above my statement merely was aimed at: give back something to the community.

And that includes every Nostalrius player too. After all no-one had complaints when MaNGOS features such as Warden support arrived on Nostalrius.

Yes i agree, and i also believe it's a dick move for all these servers to use the project but not contribute back.

[Hobospices]

I'm pretty sure the Nostalrius devs are under no obligation to release their modifications to mangos as long as they don't distribute any binaries.

This is pretty much the reason the Affero GPL license was created.

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-affero-gpl.en.html

That seems to be the case - the MaNGOS code doesn't seem to be under the AGPL.

But I agree that the various vanilla server teams should be contributing their changes back to MaNGOS.

[theluda]

Well, and I think by now you can say, Nostalrius will never do that, and just continue with the dick move, seeing the golden light of cash at the end of the Blizzard tunnel. Irony is free.

[Blai]

I like it how 90% of the people who commented on this thread see themselves as part time software developers and part time lawyers...

I'm not in a spot to call bullshit on anything, but don't you think that Blizzard knows what they're doing better than you forum dwellers?

[krill156]

I like it how 90% of the people who commented on this thread see themselves as part time software developers and part time lawyers...

I'm not in a spot to call bullshit on anything, but don't you think that Blizzard knows what they're doing better than you forum dwellers?

Some of us has poured enough blood into MaNGOS to supply a blood drive for the next several years.

The fact that Nost is just cutting a corner and going with Blizzard and not saying jack shit about the situation is hardly anything but fair.

We have families, children and loved ones to support and pour our soul into this project only to get disrespected, ignored and forgotten.

I was a message away from quitting MaNGOS my self because of the situation. But I'm going to hold on a little while longer, in search of something good to come.

And it in fact may have.

If everything kicks off just right, we may merge with another project and get a small handful of Developers/Testers for the TBC side of MaNGOS.. and we will kick that off for a bit.

[FoeReaper_]

I like it how 90% of the people who commented on this thread see themselves as part time software developers and part time lawyers...

Well... Some of us actually ARE part time, and even full time software developers

[r00ty]

I like it how 90% of the people who commented on this thread see themselves as part time software developers and part time lawyers.

not me, I see myself as a full time software developer. Lawyer, no. But when I post legal opinion I make my lack of credentials clear.

[Veylinda]

I like it how 90% of the people who commented on this thread see themselves as part time software developers and part time lawyers...

I'm not in a spot to call bullshit on anything, but don't you think that Blizzard knows what they're doing better than you forum dwellers?

My hubby is a network admin for best buy.. I'm constantly running to him shoving huge files full of stuff in his face asking "WHAT THIS MEAN FOO?!?!"
and he usually sighs and grunts at me and spends the next thirty mins Trying to explain it to me in normal-people speak before I get bored and go chase a squirrel or something. XD