So... release code now?

[phyriel]

If what you say about Nost Team being under pressure of being sued so their only option was to make a pact with the devil is true then I guess we're (private scene) indeed quite fucked and we cannot hope for Nost Team to contribute to that endeavour because they need to save their asses (quite understandable). Doesn't change the fact they can't be a proper community representation then if all they can do is support one goal which is probably like only half of this community (I guess half is a long shot but 125k wouldn't take it to Blizz HQ). Yes I filled out the survey but I just learned about it yesterday.

[melak]

P.S btw I made a short research on you, it seems like you were playing WoD just a few months ago and you quit lately with your friends because you noticed things are not fun anymore huh? So I kinda understand now why you're still some sort of blizz fanboi and believe they can still do things right. Oh well, I've been you but like 5 years ago.

**snip snip**, if by a few months ago you mean 1,5 years then yes, i quit 2-3 months after WOD was released, and before that i had not played for a year, and before that i had not played for 6 months etc etc. **snip snip snip**. You should prob go cricle jerk some other private server and hope it wont close down for one out of several reasons, since you dont even trust blizz (if they decide to create legacy servers). Instead you keep bitching about how they "ow" you their code and hard work, you my friend, **snip snip** with 0 vision of the future. Your last bit just feels like some pitty and childish dick comparison, wooow you quit 5 years ago? (pat on the head), still dont change the fact that they wont release the code until they have confirmed that blizz wont do it themselfs (either by a direct confirmation or by passage of time). **snip snip snip**

**edited by the GM team for becoming a little to insulting, Please keep it civil everyone - thanks Vaelanor**

[phyriel]

Lol forum mafia-mode activated. Funny how you completely ignored the other part of my post and quoted only the part that was referring to you triggered much huh? I said I made a short research on you, not that I knew your in and out. Firstly: stop calling me names butterfly and secondly: stop with your absolute borderline aggressive attitude dude as you're no one important here really (if thats any surprise to you then sorry), to tell others to shut the fuck up? You high? We're exchaning points of views and I'll stop considering you a side in this debate if you keep calling me names.

[Uidrae]

If what you say about Nost Team being under pressure of being sued so their only option was to make a pact with the devil is true then I guess we're (private scene) indeed quite fucked and we cannot hope for Nost Team to contribute to that endeavour because they need to save their asses (quite understandable). Doesn't change the fact they can't be a proper community representation then if all they can do is support one goal which is probably like only half of this community (I guess half is a long shot but 125k wouldn't take it to Blizz HQ). Yes I filled out the survey but I just learned about it yesterday.

I'm not sure how you thought there was a different agenda, especially after Mark Kern said he'd bring it to Blizzard if the petition went 200k +. It seemed pretty clear that the objective was to get Blizzard's attention.

Their meetings with Blizzard were a representation of the legacy community. The survey was intended to show support as well as to give Blizzard a clue of what legacy fans want. It was presented at the meeting.

At first, there was hope that maybe Blizzard would just license Nost or something, which many would have preferred, but they quickly said that doing such was legally impossible. So, what would you suggest then?

[phyriel]

Yea well maybe its my mistake then. But it all started without having any hope to get blizzard attention, so at the start it was a desperate move to save it as a private scene, once it got big and option to re-emerge legally as a private server got explained (how impossible that is) it became an Official Legacy servers movement so in that you are right that its pretty clear now that there is just one goal and nothing else in the picture. I'm only bitching because I signed petition with a thinking that its gonna be either fighting for getting Nost back and if that fails, despite huge help from streamers, youtubers, Mark, the code will be contributed so new generation of "private" can flourish. You know with a private vanilla scene it was progressive thru out the years, I started on completely bugged servers with raids being pretty much tank'n'spank fights without working scripts etc, then feenix came which obviously wasn't perfect but it was a stepping stone, then Nostalrius with huuuuge population, scripts being very closely resembling blizzlike (atleast according to my semi-working memory), now Nost is gone and without merits of its life we're pretty much 4 steps back as a private scene so you should understand its not as easy as saying "go circle jerk other servers" because its like saying "dude your Ferrari is gone so be fucking good boy and be happy because there is Skoda and Fiat" especially after getting a hint that ok maybe our Ferrari is gone for good but we were told we gonna get designs for engine so we can begin working on rebuilding our dream car slowly. Its sorta weird alegory but I think you got the point.

[Rikkisix]

Yea well maybe its my mistake then. But it all started without having any hope to get blizzard attention, so at the start it was a desperate move to save it as a private scene, once it got big and option to re-emerge legally as a private server got explained (how impossible that is) it became an Official Legacy servers movement so in that you are right that its pretty clear now that there is just one goal and nothing else in the picture. I'm only bitching because I signed petition with a thinking that its gonna be either fighting for getting Nost back and if that fails, despite huge help from streamers, youtubers, Mark, the code will be contributed so new generation of "private" can flourish. You know with a private vanilla scene it was progressive thru out the years, I started on completely bugged servers with raids being pretty much tank'n'spank fights without working scripts etc, then feenix came which obviously wasn't perfect but it was a stepping stone, then Nostalrius with huuuuge population, scripts being very closely resembling blizzlike (atleast according to my semi-working memory), now Nost is gone and without merits of its life we're pretty much 4 steps back as a private scene so you should understand its not as easy as saying "go circle jerk other servers" because its like saying "dude your Ferrari is gone so be fucking good boy and be happy because there is Skoda and Fiat" especially after getting a hint that ok maybe our Ferrari is gone for good but we were told we gonna get designs for engine so we can begin working on rebuilding our dream car slowly. Its sorta weird alegory but I think you got the point.

I see your point but, alot of pirivite servers are and always will be buggy, have crashes and pay shops. and will never be safe, Privite server improving is soley based on the few people willing to host it, most of them are now in it for the money, PSh look how long feenix had to fix thier stuff. It's just as bad as it was 3 years ago mate.... Trust me i've been on P servers since Wotlk. I would agree with you if all priv server's where 1x lvling etc. but too many are made for fun servers. Getting money, insane rates Hacking and Roleplay. Most of us don't like to pirate, but it seems like blizzard wouldn't give us the option. but now, finnally affter all these years they might? why would we say "Nah we are happy with our bugged crashing P2W communitys" maybe alot of people are, i'm not. I've started over alot on these servers and sure i know i'm going to again in any priv server but if that does help to make blizz give us the real deal then we should hope for that no? I get it alot of us have detaste for blizz. Even i do trust me on this. but we can't deny them the fact they helped give us good times with vanilla and BC. and trust me i loved nost as much as everyone else, but there is only so much you can do with Mangos. if you really want to keep on the priv server scence then there will always be other servers. Untill blizz does make legacy servers and i think they will start to die. but only time can give us an answer.

[Cronpa]

Yea well maybe its my mistake then. But it all started without having any hope to get blizzard attention, so at the start it was a desperate move to save it as a private scene, once it got big and option to re-emerge legally as a private server got explained (how impossible that is) it became an Official Legacy servers movement so in that you are right that its pretty clear now that there is just one goal and nothing else in the picture. I'm only bitching because I signed petition with a thinking that its gonna be either fighting for getting Nost back and if that fails, despite huge help from streamers, youtubers, Mark, the code will be contributed so new generation of "private" can flourish. You know with a private vanilla scene it was progressive thru out the years, I started on completely bugged servers with raids being pretty much tank'n'spank fights without working scripts etc, then feenix came which obviously wasn't perfect but it was a stepping stone, then Nostalrius with huuuuge population, scripts being very closely resembling blizzlike (atleast according to my semi-working memory), now Nost is gone and without merits of its life we're pretty much 4 steps back as a private scene so you should understand its not as easy as saying "go circle jerk other servers" because its like saying "dude your Ferrari is gone so be fucking good boy and be happy because there is Skoda and Fiat" especially after getting a hint that ok maybe our Ferrari is gone for good but we were told we gonna get designs for engine so we can begin working on rebuilding our dream car slowly. Its sorta weird alegory but I think you got the point.

Actually the other servers (at least Kronos) aren't worse than Nost. The only difference really is the pop. I remember following the discussion when Nost announced the shutdown. Many were surprised that it was actually better than Nost in many parts. I bet it's worse in other parts, but overall the quality shouldn't be much different.

I think the big thing in Nost really was the public relations and how they handled themselves. Nost has a really professional and passionate outlook and even looked like Blizzard themselves. I don't think even many game companies handle their public image as well as Nost did.

I don't think private scene is something that needs a mention/acceptance from Blizzard. It would stop being private after that.

PS: can you add some line breaks and paragraphs to your text. It's a pain to try to read it.

[phyriel]

PS: can you add some line breaks and paragraphs to your text. It's a pain to try to read it.

Ye, sure.

Well I guess we will have to wait and see then but my main concern is (above what I already mentioned) is that Blizzard already won, they already successfully divided community by "promising to maybe think about it somewhere in the future". By dividing I mean those that advocate for Legacy servers (and thus speak against releasing the code) and those that want the code out.

So I can see the scenario in which we all (more or less) wait for Legacy, code is kept secret so Blizz don't get angry, after like 2 years we get Legacy servers which turn out to be a major disappointment (which is most likely , judging by Blizzard ways for past 7 or so years) and there will be no serious alternative because during all that time we waited no one worked on private scene (because everyone hoped Blizzard will do it right, so why bother right?).

So my main point is that I don't want my char back (i mean it would be kewl but lets be real), I want code out so private scene can continue to develop and be a viable alternative for vanilla folks once Legacy hit (or not).

[Uidrae]

What exactly is it that you want? There is still a "private scene" just not with this server. There will probably always be private servers, although I'm guessing they will be less popular once Blizz releases official legacy (IF they actually do it right).

Why do you need the code? Why start a new server instead of maybe helping improve existing ones? Why do so many people think they need to open their own? It just splits up the community more. It's like the million and one guilds in retail now. There are way too many with new ones opening every day instead of people joining and strengthening existing ones, causing the community to be spread too thin. I don't get it. Everyone just wants to be "the boss" or what?

[teemuemu]

You're all fools, Blizzard has 0 intentions of releasing legacy servers, they never did and never will.