Alternative solutions to the lag issue

[Elliane2]

Thank you for keeping this post open

It seems the topic is now focus on the Wrathran's Swedish Ideology. Too bad, he is the most exhausting person in Nostalrius. And Swedish Ideology is the Ideology of damage controle, it's important to know it.

Anyway let's focus on the point : Alternative solutions to the lag issue.

The Devs will release their Cluster project, who will suppress the lag. Yay, it sounds awesome

But there is a HUGE process which NO ONE is thinking about.

Mark my words, this is my Prediction, and it will happen 2 months after the release of the Cluster Project :

Nostalrius is allegedly very popular, BUT, since January or Feb. the maximum population is sticking at 13 or 14k. And it does'nt raise. Why ? Because when we are 14k online, the game is unplayable, so people are disconnecting... AND THIS IS THE POINT !
Now, if we suppress the lag today, I assure you we could be 16k connected.
And one month after we would be 20k, or more

There is two problems here. Please, read carefully :
1 - Most incoming people will be from China, because there is a huge amount of potential players in this Country, and there is massive advertising due to youtubers, and Goldsellers (who wants to raise the numbers of customers).
As you know, most of the Chinese in Nost' can't communicate with non-Chinese people (barriere language).
Problem 1 : Explosion of the barriere language. (Also raise of the Goldmarket).

2 - As we said, there is enough advertising for Nost nowadays to increase the population loudly, and the only frontiere keeping people away is the lag ! If we suppress it, we will reach 20k players, and the lag problem will undoubtedly show up 3 months later.
Problem 2 : The lag will show up a few months later.

Now. I let you imagine a plan, who will :
A) Suppress the Barriere language.
B) Suppress the massive increasing of population (only limited by the lag experience).
C) Will allow the increasing of population in correct proportion.

Set up queues won't work because of C), Clustering project will be soon expired because of the B).

For all of those reasons there is an obvious solution : Allowing only the English client will solve A), the B) and the C).


Please, you know that today is the experience is almost correct but think about the after clustering project.

[Lifealert]

Thank you for your input Elliane2. I think your strongest one is the notion that clustering would only be a temporary fix to an every growing problem. No doubt more players will want to play on Nost once their friends tell them all about AQ40/20, and goldfarmers will probably increase under these circumstances. Thus we are stuck in a vicious cycle.

The problem is how would suppressing Chinese people typing in Chinese on public channels would decrease the population in that area? How would Nost manage to suppress an ever increasing population?

One idea comes to mind and that is allowing players in the low level ranges to transfer to the PvE server. This means characters 10-50 could get a free transfer to the PvE realm if they wished. I don't know how hard it is for the staff to move character data from one server to another but it is a thought.

[Wrathran]

Thank you for keeping this post open

This thread have nothing to offer and is bullshit thread blaming the "Chinese", again.

It seems the topic is now focus on the Wrathran's Swedish Ideology. Too bad, he is the most exhausting person in Nostalrius. And Swedish Ideology is the Ideology of damage controle, it's important to know it.

MY ideology? Seriously you are full of shit. >MY< Ideology as in I don't think it's right to discriminate one group of people and to disparage people trying to make them look like a problem instead of humans like you and me?

And you are full off bullshit when you talk about "Swedish Ideology" and damage control. WTF are you talking about? We are a nation with widely different political opinions but most of use share the idea that every human have the same value and every human have rights. Ooohhh, what a f-ed up ideology, right? Also what good have ever come out of this to a nation like Sweden? All we have got out of it is one of the happiest people on earth, no wars for over 200 years, free healthcare and education for everyone, even one step further, you get payed to go to collage, low crime rate and a nation where people stand in line and literally are prepared to die to come here. Yes, Sweden sucks. What a f-ed up ideology indeed.

Also, F-k you asshole for trying to make any players nationality to an disadvantage. You are just full of shit like so many others when you put labels on a group of people. You talk about "Swedish Ideology" like everyone here is the same. You are an ignorant buffoon.

Anyway let's focus on the point : Alternative solutions to the lag issue.

There have already been given a straight easy solution to OP who suffers from lag. You can play on the PVE realm that only have a few thousand players. The answer was basically, "Nah, to much work, let's blame the Chinese instead".

The Devs will release their Cluster project, who will suppress the lag. Yay, it sounds awesome
But there is a HUGE process which NO ONE is thinking about.
Mark my words, this is my Prediction, and it will happen 2 months after the release of the Cluster Project :

Nostalrius is allegedly very popular, BUT, since January or Feb. the maximum population is sticking at 13 or 14k. And it does'nt raise. Why ? Because when we are 14k online, the game is unplayable, so people are disconnecting... AND THIS IS THE POINT !
Now, if we suppress the lag today, I assure you we could be 16k connected.
And one month after we would be 20k, or more

You claim a lot of things here like it was facts. Do you have evidence to support your claims?
If what you say is true that means that there are like 6k players who want to play today that just can't. Why are these people not playing on the pve realm then that doesn't suffer from this lag?

There is two problems here. Please, read carefully :
1 - Most incoming people will be from China, because there is a huge amount of potential players in this Country, and there is massive advertising due to youtubers, and Goldsellers (who wants to raise the numbers of customers).
As you know, most of the Chinese in Nost' can't communicate with non-Chinese people (barriere language).
Problem 1 : Explosion of the barriere language. (Also raise of the Goldmarket).

Facts - The majority of all players are from Europe. Even so you claim that the majority of all new players will come from China. Do you have evidence to support your claims?

Also - F-k you for using the wording "There is two problems here -1 - Most incoming people will be from China". It's a f-ed chocking statement so use. You could have used the wording "Most people will not be able to communicate in English" which I agree is a problem, but no no, you have to go down the idiotic f-ing idiocy way of blaming the Chinese, AGAIN.

2 - As we said, there is enough advertising for Nost nowadays to increase the population loudly, and the only frontiere keeping people away is the lag ! If we suppress it, we will reach 20k players, and the lag problem will undoubtedly show up 3 months later.

If this is the truth, why isn't the PvE realm full also?

Problem 2 : The lag will show up a few months later.

It may or may not, I don't know. You state things as facts and offer no evidence other than your bullshit opinion
. On Wow retail millions of players can play together more or less lagg-free in a huge cluster.
Anyway I will say it again. If it is true that thousands of players can't play on Nostalrius only due to lagg, then why isn't the pve realm full also?

Now. I let you imagine a plan, who will :
[i]A) Suppress the Barriere language.

WOW just wow. Do you even understand WHAT you are when you use wording like "SUPRESS" in this context? I bet you scratch your head now and think, "oh that silly swede" and you don't fully understand WHAT YOU ARE. Not what your opinions are but what YOU are.

B) Suppress the massive increasing of population (only limited by the lag experience).

Again you CLAIM that >ONLY< lagg is the reason that the population is not increasing. But at the same time the PvE realm is no way near full.

C) Will allow the increasing of population in correct proportion.

For fuck sake. "increasing of population in correct proportion", seriously dude?
You have one focked up ideology.

Set up queues won't work because of C), Clustering project will be soon expired because of the B).

You claim things as facts again and offer nothing more than your opinion.

For all of those reasons there is an obvious solution : Allowing only the English client will solve A), the B) and the C).

I will simply quote a Game Master on this idea to ban all non-English clients:

by Pottu » Tue Mar 08, 2016 6:43 pm

Instead of raging on the forums, make a GM ticket if someone circumvents a /ignore as that is harassment and will be dealt with. Same with the non-English chat in public chat channels.

I do not understand how players are capable of doing exactly that when someone writes Russian or Spanish in the chat but when it's empty boxes or Chinese, suddenly the only option is to spam the forums in turn.

We have plenty of players who use the French and German clients - preventing non-EN clients from connecting would be a great hindrance to them. Not to mention that it wouldn't stop the gold farmers and leveling service advertisers who already largely use the English client and who exist because there is a market for them.

The GM team.

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[Alyndra]

a great hinderance to learn fucking english? well tough luck. if you can't get along with an english client then how are you communicating with people? this is bullshit. sticking to foreign clients is a testament to our country's abysmal education system.

i've never played with a deDE client in my life. not in 2005 on DE servers and not now on nost.

[Tomberry]

I think that without blaming any community, it would be nice to give the players a choice to chose a server from different ones. Maybe Eng / ru / China or something.

No one would be forced to do so but it would help spread the population over several servers which would lessen the load on a single server and the overpopulation (On a server, not the total nost population ofc), so the farm spots / plants / mines etc. are not camped 24/7 by 4x more people than there were on a regular vanilla server.

EDIT : Or if you don't wanna make this about coutries / players origins, just make several PvP servers, maybe 2-3. Just to make it a little more ejoyable for all.

[Wrathran]

I mean you are obviously free to come with suggestions and constructive criticism. But this question/suggestion have been raised over and over and over and Nostalrius have been 100% clear:

by Pottu » Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:18 pm

We do not currently have any plans to open additional servers. This issue has been raised and answered multiple times already.

The GM team.

Personally I think it would be nice to have more than one server and have character transfer between them. But at the same time I realize that someone have to do the work for this and someone have to do this for free on their spare time.
I am also affected by the lagg and see a difference between 6k playerson line and 13k players online but this doesn't affect me much at all as I think I have realistic expectations to playing on a free pirate server.

There is a simple and effective solution to OP who suffers from lagg and that is to play on the PvE realm that have low population. But he doesn't want to do that because it require him to do the work and he rather blames the Chinese and demand someone else to fix this for him.

[Robotron]

Tbh it's not at all racist to simply want the people who cannot at all speak the official language of the server to be kept off the server.

[alex85eu]

Say what you will , but this constant insane lag was not happening before december last year when the china invasion happened .

[JeeTee]

This race card shit has gone too far. Now we got people pulling the card for other people.
Here's the facts:

They don't speak English or even try.
They lag to the point where you can't even pvp verse them. (Blinking and desyncing all around)
They control every resource on the server.
Many of them are gold farmers/ sellers.
They are not healthy for the community because they don't even try to be a part of it.
China isn't a race, it's a nationality.
This server will go to shit if something isn't done.
The server isn't free, it costs time. That costs way more than any monetary subscribtion.

Now someone please call me racist and prove my point.

[Wrathran]

Say what you will , but this constant insane lag was not happening before december last year when the china invasion happened .

No one is denying that the server is lagging more with 13k players online than with 6k players online.

Fact remains. This is an INTERNATIONAL server and if you can't adjust your expectations to playing on a free pirate server then you will never be pleased. Blaming the "Chinese" is not an option for in a serious discussions. Only ignorant morons come the forum and talks about an "invasion" and "Chinamen" etc etc. Get it? Only a ignorant MORON does that. Yes I just called you an ignorant moron, because you are when you use the wording "china invasion".

This thread was started like it was going to be a serious discussion but as soon as I raised my opinion that the only real problem are people expectations, the "China problem" is dragged in by OP. Looking at his post histoiry that's not a surprise as he is a troll and even admits so himself. It's like a disease this bullshit to blame players from China when they have just as much right to play here as anyone else.

YOU are an Ignornat idiot buffoon for using the wording "china invasion". Get it? That's my honest opinion about you. You have no right to talk about an invasion of any kind. These are people who want to play vanilla wow and have a great time just like anyone else and for you to look on this group as an "invasion" is just disgusting. You disgust me.

Tbh it's not at all racist to simply want the people who cannot at all speak the official language of the server to be kept off the server.

In the very next post after your post an idiot use the wording "china invasion".
I have stopped to use the wording "racism" becasue people don't understand what the word means. They are ignorant and think that it can only be used for race when in fact it also apply for nationality among many things. The word is used when you judge one group of people for what they are.

Would you at least agree that using the wording "china invasion" is disparaging of one group of players that only want to come here and play vanilla like the rest of us?


It probably would be a good idea to have a Chinese server and many more servers just like on retail. But who would do the work? It's not even a matter of money, it's a matter of time as no one can earn money from working on Nostalrius so all development is done on spare time for fun. So how do you suggest this to happen when Nostalorious do not want to do it? They flat out say NO there is no plan on more servers. Still people QQ and moan of the forum about lagg and can't even be arsed to play on the lagg free pve realm.