I would happily buy2play Legacy WoW but NEVER subscribe

[Anceron]

Damn, I guess I broke the law a bunch mowing lawns when I was 13 to pay for my own sub to vanilla wow back in 2005.

Anyways, if you can't afford $15 per month then WoW isn't the game for you. Best stick to private servers and Free to Play games.

[Tinkertown]

As for the hypothetical persons ability to go cut the grass. You should realize that for that to be legal you need to declare taxes, pay government labor fees, handle the bureaucracy, and get paid minimum wage? Unless you are suggesting breaking the law, minimum wage + all that jazz is the bottom. If you are unable to generate enough to offset that cost it isn't viable under the rules in our society. (Kids get a pass because it is a life lesson and they aren't qualified for real work so who cares. If the kid started to do it at industrial levels or with decent organisation of some sort of kiddie workforce however, that wouldn't fly unless the rules were followed)

Damn, I guess I broke the law a bunch mowing lawns when I was 13 to pay for my own sub to vanilla wow back in 2005.

[Forcerius]

Best stick to private servers and Free to Play games.

Yeah you're right. Guess i'll stick with games I can actually play after I buy them, or free to play games like the majority available right now. I mean I bought vanilla + expansions and over $1500 at minimum in subscription fee's. So where's the game I paid for??

[Anceron]

Best stick to private servers and Free to Play games.

Yeah you're right. Guess i'll stick with games I can actually play after I buy them, or free to play games like the majority available right now. I mean I bought vanilla + expansions and over $1500 at minimum in subscription fee's. So where's the game I paid for??

You payed for a service, not the game.

[Forcerius]

Best stick to private servers and Free to Play games.

Yeah you're right. Guess i'll stick with games I can actually play after I buy them, or free to play games like the majority available right now. I mean I bought vanilla + expansions and over $1500 at minimum in subscription fee's. So where's the game I paid for??

You payed for a service, not the game.

I paid for the game in addition to the service fee. But that model is outdated then because 90% of other games don't charge you for service after you buy the original game. Not to mention games that are completely free like League of Legends, Counter Strike, etc.

So the only leverage Blizzard has is, "well, vanilla wow is worth it, unlike all other games." So I guess this whole argument is moot since its just a matter of opinion.

[Anceron]

I paid for the game in addition to the service fee. But that model is outdated then because 90% of other games don't charge you for service after you buy the original game. Not to mention games that are completely free like League of Legends, Counter Strike, etc.

So the only leverage Blizzard has is, "well, vanilla wow is worth it, unlike all other games." So I guess this whole argument is moot since its just a matter of opinion.

No, you paid for the ability to connect to Blizzards servers, it's right there in the ToS. Counter-strike isn't free and never was. Free to play games are irrelevant in the context of paying a monthly sub for Legacy Servers.

[drabus]

Overall, it doesn't matter if....

A) You can pay or can't pay
B) Are willing to pay or not willing to pay
C) Think it is fair to pay or not to pay
D) Any combination of the above

If Blizzard is going to host servers, there is going to have to be some revenue generating mechanism for them to pay for the IT infrastructure, the technical support, and most likely some developer support. They are not going to lose money over this. The revenue will come from one or more of the following:

1) One time purchase price
2) Required Monthly Subscriptions
3) Licensing Fees to allow 3rd Parties to Host Servers (e.g. - Nostalrius)
4) "Premium" Service Subscriptions (not required - but give perks to those who pay)
5) In-game Purchases/Services

For the Vanilla/Legacy purists, options 1, 2, and 3 are the most appealing. Pure classic servers at a known/fixed cost with everyone on an equal playing field.

For the cost-conscious, options 4 & 5 would be more appealing. Basically, it would be free-to-play but some players could pay to get perks. No longer pure classic, but it has a free-to-play mechanic. (see Heroes of the Storm for example)

Now this is assuming that any licensing fees that Blizzard would require of a 3rd Party would be reoccurring and substantial. I can't imagine they would be willing or able to license their IP at a modest or one-time cost. So I'm also assuming that in order to pay for those licenses, Nostralrius (or someone else) would need to generate their own revenue to subsidize those licenses. Hence we are back to #1, #2, #4, and #5.

Basically, regardless of the "fairness" of the situation, any Blizzard-supported solution is going to come at a price. The only alternatives are the private server market - which come with their own risks/issues.

Anyway, another $0.02 while we wait for the results of these meetings....

[reysode]

The rhetoric in this topic basically is going up to a billionaire, asking him to be your butler and giving him 1 month pay up front and 3 year contract without salary.

[melak]

Best stick to private servers and Free to Play games.

Yeah you're right. Guess i'll stick with games I can actually play after I buy them, or free to play games like the majority available right now. I mean I bought vanilla + expansions and over $1500 at minimum in subscription fee's. So where's the game I paid for??

You payed for a service, not the game.

Pretty much this, are people really butthurt over such a small amount? 2 less meals in town during 1 month and barabooom, you got enough for your wow sub ^^

[melak]

I paid for the game in addition to the service fee. But that model is outdated then because 90% of other games don't charge you for service after you buy the original game. Not to mention games that are completely free like League of Legends, Counter Strike, etc.

So the only leverage Blizzard has is, "well, vanilla wow is worth it, unlike all other games." So I guess this whole argument is moot since its just a matter of opinion.

Hosting CSS is a hell of a lot less costly, not like you need hundred of gms ontop of that. LoL = micro transaction hell, so if you want a vanilla server with a shit shop, then i guess you wouldent have to pay. Seriously, you cry over an outdated model that is used in an outdated game, you cant just switch the financial part and not expect the game to change 2. If you cant/wont pay for a vanilla realm (if they ever pop up) then dont, stop trying to argue that it should be free, because if it was, we would have a shit ton of pay2win and other shit shops like retail has now, k thanks.