Please end this. For the love of god.

[smilkovpetko]

reserving does not concern me that much as it concern the plague and disease gdkp system that came in this server last month, it will plague and it will be much worse than reserving item.

reserves can be alternate with creating own group , gdkps can't be alternate once they spread.

inb4 gdkp fans come and raise their voice in this thread .

[Doofoos]

But why? We are playing on 12000 online server, player is able to choose from numerous guilds for any timezone\rules available and join for stable guild raids, if he is good enough obviously ... but if he doesn't or doesn't want to join a guild ... well, it's not a problem of gdkp runs isn't it?

[St0rfan]

I came here looking for a vanilla-like experience, hoping to relive the best moments of retail vanilla. In part, my expectations have been met and plenty of fun has been had. However, there is a major difference - the community is utter cancer in contrast to real vanilla. The oligarchy of a few top guilds, who deem themselves superior to everyone else and poison everything with their elitist special snowflake attitude, is not that bad on its own, but for heaven's sake, stop giving them the attention they are looking for. Don't feed the voracious maws of a bunch of assholes with too much time on their hands. Whipper root tubers and all other drama... Please stop.

Cartels and monopoly are another example of a tumour in the fine organism of this server. A select few people teaming up and preventing others from accessing game's elements is a pretty vile thing. And yet, people are more than willing to buy leather farmed in such way.

People are only looking forward to grieve others as much as possible. Instead of being helpful and nice, they are toxic and obnoxious. Where is the friendliness and genuity, so widespread in vanilla? Where is the lust to explore, work together to beat the challenges? To have sheer, unlimited fun?

Yeah, this shouldn't be so surprising to me in the first place. Vanilla is old, past challenges have been dulled by time, people are looking for new ways of entertaining themselves. Furthermore, we live in an utterly wretched era - an era of cynical youth, devoid of dreams, imprisoned by technology, seeking only to indulge themselves in hedonism and benefit from someone's misadventure and feeling entitled to special treatment.

Item reservations are just a manifestation of the rotten spirit of this community. It's no longer heartfelt, friendly folk. Now it's a game of social facades, masquerades and perennial fight for status.

You all suck. There's no doubt that you will ridicule and point fingers at me in attempts to protect your egos, but alas, you are all vain, wretched beings.

I actually agree with you alot, in theory. But wouldnt you also agree with me that there are "good" and "bad" reserves? As my examples earlier of a full t2 tank carrying a raid/group in return for reserving one specific item, vs a blue geared rogue reserving HoJ/Dalrends?

Without reserves, there would be an even worse lack of tanks for 5mans, and there would never ever be any MC pugs.

[Heavenscape]

I came here looking for a vanilla-like experience, hoping to relive the best moments of retail vanilla. In part, my expectations have been met and plenty of fun has been had. However, there is a major difference - the community is utter cancer in contrast to real vanilla. The oligarchy of a few top guilds, who deem themselves superior to everyone else and poison everything with their elitist special snowflake attitude, is not that bad on its own, but for heaven's sake, stop giving them the attention they are looking for. Don't feed the voracious maws of a bunch of assholes with too much time on their hands. Whipper root tubers and all other drama... Please stop.

Cartels and monopoly are another example of a tumour in the fine organism of this server. A select few people teaming up and preventing others from accessing game's elements is a pretty vile thing. And yet, people are more than willing to buy leather farmed in such way.

People are only looking forward to grieve others as much as possible. Instead of being helpful and nice, they are toxic and obnoxious. Where is the friendliness and genuity, so widespread in vanilla? Where is the lust to explore, work together to beat the challenges? To have sheer, unlimited fun?

Yeah, this shouldn't be so surprising to me in the first place. Vanilla is old, past challenges have been dulled by time, people are looking for new ways of entertaining themselves. Furthermore, we live in an utterly wretched era - an era of cynical youth, devoid of dreams, imprisoned by technology, seeking only to indulge themselves in hedonism and benefit from someone's misadventure and feeling entitled to special treatment.

Item reservations are just a manifestation of the rotten spirit of this community. It's no longer heartfelt, friendly folk. Now it's a game of social facades, masquerades and perennial fight for status.

You all suck. There's no doubt that you will ridicule and point fingers at me in attempts to protect your egos, but alas, you are all vain, wretched beings.

I actually agree with you alot, in theory. But wouldnt you also agree with me that there are "good" and "bad" reserves? As my examples earlier of a full t2 tank carrying a raid/group in return for reserving one specific item, vs a blue geared rogue reserving HoJ/Dalrends?

Without reserves, there would be an even worse lack of tanks for 5mans, and there would never ever be any MC pugs.

Well, most reservations are unfortunately of the bad kind. People claim stuff and give nothing in return, looking for an easy and quick way to get geared.

I don't quite agree with the "good" reservations either - they make the run appear more as an exchange than a fun time had together. Still, it is perfectly fair as long as the reserving person brings something to the table, such as the tanking you mentioned, good healing or raid leading. And I don't really have to care about that since I can run everything with my guild.

You can also use a bit more sophisticated methods for reserving items. Composing a group with 2 casters and a main spec tank will make you the only person needing melee/ranged gear, equivalent to reserving the item you need. Playing it a bit less stern may also work - instead of laconically writing "reserved" in the LFM message, what about giving a quick rationale for your motives?

In general, there is too much emphasis on loot. Many players are looking for a quick way to get ripped, disregarding everything else and leading to noxiousness. Don't forget that the main point of playing WoW is fun - gear is a secondary matter. Sure, good gear is required to be successful in PvP and PvE alike, but don't be an asshole about it.

[Doofoos]

You can also use a bit more sophisticated methods for reserving items. Composing a group with 2 casters and a main spec tank will make you the only person needing melee/ranged gear, equivalent to reserving the item you need.

Any player can use any way\method he like. In case of reserving, all information is given to players straight and clear, no need to play "tolerant" games here.

Don't forget that the main point of playing WoW is fun - gear is a secondary matter. Sure, good gear is required to be successful in PvP and PvE alike, but don't be an asshole about it.

For who? What if the player have different "main point" than you? Is he acting as an asshole then?

[Dr. Doom]

For who? What if the player have different "main point" than you? Is he acting as an asshole then?

Word it affirmatively then:

"I play a vanilla private server so I can get level 60 epics."

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Kinda chuckled typing it.

[St0rfan]

You can also use a bit more sophisticated methods for reserving items. Composing a group with 2 casters and a main spec tank will make you the only person needing melee/ranged gear, equivalent to reserving the item you need. Playing it a bit less stern may also work - instead of laconically writing "reserved" in the LFM message, what about giving a quick rationale for your motives?.

I used exactly this method whenI farmed for my Ironfoe. I just excluded fury warriors and rogues, unless they specifically said that they did not want Ironfoe.

[Ana]

Word it affirmatively then:

"I play a vanilla private server so I can get level 60 epics."

How about... "I play vanilla WoW to have fun. It so happens that running BRD for the 200th time isn't particularly fun anymore, but I need the X item to be more effective elsewhere (where I am in fact having fun)"?

[twinkacc]

we are living in world with toxic and greedy people and they will never change ... toxic forever and greedy forever.

the game is created to enjoy it , but that was 10 years ago . pandaria/cataclysm/wotlk etc have created huge inflation and provoke people into different greedy style which today we live in vanilla.

Jeez ... if you are creating your own group, making an item reserved doesn't mean you are toxic or greedy It means only that you inform others about the item you need, and you don't want other competitors for this item in your group. In terms of balancing the group needs, reserving is much better than a run with 5 ppl coming for one item, because you can split the loot even before the instance, so everyone gets what they want.
If you don't like this, don't join such groups and create your own group, with your own rules you think is "not toxic and greedy". Easy, isn't it?

OMG THIS

[Sugarpuffextreme]

reserving does not concern me that much as it concern the plague and disease gdkp system that came in this server last month, it will plague and it will be much worse than reserving item.

reserves can be alternate with creating own group , gdkps can't be alternate once they spread.

inb4 gdkp fans come and raise their voice in this thread .

Looked it up, seemed like an fair system? Items being on "bid" is retarded tho where players pay the raid leader gold for items. Like he alone killed the boss and everyone else did nothing?