Un'Goro Mafia

[Lifealert]

The mafia will not be defeated.

[XxGokuxX]

If people wanted a quick solution to mafia problems, either here or in real life, they'd just not buy their products. In practical terms, everyone linked to this shitty affair would simply not get any bids.

However, just like it happens in real life, people will continue to give their money, even if it entails legal liabilities to said groups because they can't wait/don't care about it, and would rather pay the price being demanded.

Mafias are simply parasitical entities. Whether drug-related, weapon-related, prostitution-related or even the funny devilsaur leather thing. They only exist so much as others are willing to feed them and give them a reason to continue doing what they do. The general trend is for collectives to continue feeding them even if they're aware of the social leeching being done.

Nomination for most naive post of the year.

In what way is it naive?
Post can be summed up in:

a) Mafias require the constant demand for their products by the public to endure. As the reverse of this idea, people have the possibility to stamp out a mafia if an universal boycott was made.
b) Mafias tend to thrive in everyday reality as people do not care enough or do not want to shoulder the temporary burden of the boycott.

What part of this suffers from naïvete or delusional reading?

1. the ungoro mafia and a real mafia are nothing alike. Simple way to tell them apart; one uses murder, extortion, and goes above the law to accomplish their goals, and one is a virtual "mafia" in a game that allows for them to exist (ie they are totally within in the rules, as the OP whispers show). Basically the only thing they have in common is that the word mafia is used.
2. boycotting devilsaur is the most unrealistic, pie in the sky, solution you could offer up. There is 10k players on this server, just organizing enough people to affect the market would be impossible. Replying "get gud" would of been a more productive solution.
3. people not caring is your assumption, not a reality.

I am sure there is more but im tired.

[Dr. Doom]

1. the ungoro mafia and a real mafia are nothing alike. Simple way to tell them apart; one uses murder, extortion, and goes above the law to accomplish their goals, and one is a virtual "mafia" in a game that allows for them to exist (ie they are totally within in the rules, as the OP whispers show). Basically the only thing they have in common is that the word mafia is used.
2. boycotting devilsaur is the most unrealistic, pie in the sky, solution you could offer up. There is 10k players on this server, just organizing enough people to affect the market would be impossible. Replying "get gud" would of been a more productive solution.
3. people not caring is your assumption, not a reality.

I am sure there is more but im tired.

I am unaware if you misread any of my previous comments, but one constant thing that I've kept saying is that although the possibility for mafias to be stamped out due to boycotts does exist, it's extremely unlikely for it to happen in the majority of contexts, as people do not care enough about shouldering the cost of such a collective initiative, or they do not want to face a shortage in the goods they want. It's not a practical solution.

If it were, the decade long efforts by the Italian government to convince people they do not need N'dragheta or the Camorra for their local economies would have yielded something. Or the money the Colombian government spends in ads telling first world yuppies that for every gram of cocaine they snort, a number of people lose their life or are pushed out of their lands by trafficking cartels and militias.

[XxGokuxX]

Here is what you said:

Mafias are simply parasitical entities. Whether drug-related, weapon-related, prostitution-related or even the funny devilsaur leather thing. They only exist so much as others are willing to feed them and give them a reason to continue doing what they do. The general trend is for collectives to continue feeding them even if they're aware of the social leeching being done.

Nothing about it being "unlikely to happen in the majority of contexts". You do mention that there is a lack of caring, no evidence to support it though which is probably because its more naivete and lack of research than anything else. Especially since there have been efforts to stop both the ungoro mafia and mafias across the world (the two being unrelated).

the decade long efforts by the Italian government to convince people they do not need N'dragheta or the Camorra for their local economies would have yielded something. Or the money the Colombian government spends in ads telling first world yuppies that for every gram of cocaine they snort, a number of people lose their life or are pushed out of their lands by trafficking cartels and militias.

I am gonna need some reliable sources (not wikipedia or what your uncle told you) backing the rest of what you said. Especially the parts about Colombian ads telling "first world yuppies that for every gram of cocaine they snort, a number of people lose their life or are pushed out of their lands by trafficking cartels and militias". I think you have a very narrow view of the world based mostly on opinion. Which is why i find your posts naive.

[Dr. Doom]

Here is what you said:

Mafias are simply parasitical entities. Whether drug-related, weapon-related, prostitution-related or even the funny devilsaur leather thing. They only exist so much as others are willing to feed them and give them a reason to continue doing what they do. The general trend is for collectives to continue feeding them even if they're aware of the social leeching being done.

Nothing about it being "unlikely to happen in the majority of contexts". You do mention that there is a lack of caring, no evidence to support it though which is probably because its more naivete and lack of research than anything else. Especially since there have been efforts to stop both the ungoro mafia and mafias across the world (the two being unrelated).

the decade long efforts by the Italian government to convince people they do not need N'dragheta or the Camorra for their local economies would have yielded something. Or the money the Colombian government spends in ads telling first world yuppies that for every gram of cocaine they snort, a number of people lose their life or are pushed out of their lands by trafficking cartels and militias.

I am gonna need some reliable sources (not wikipedia or what your uncle told you) backing the rest of what you said. Especially the parts about Colombian ads telling "first world yuppies that for every gram of cocaine they snort, a number of people lose their life or are pushed out of their lands by trafficking cartels and militias". I think you have a very narrow view of the world based mostly on opinion. Which is why i find your posts naive.

Efforts to stop mafias =/= Public commitment to stopping mafias.

Since the 60s you can find police work trying to dismantle South Italian mafias. The initiative exists by the central government.

To this very day, people in Calabria or Sicily do not mind or socially ostracise people involved in the mafia. Visit the ground, ask around, see for yourself. Few people serve as witnesses in trials, hardly any business refuses services to well-known mafia figures. Walk around Palermo or Messina, tell me if I'm wrong then.

If X or Y group of people here try to oppose the mafia, they'll rely on their friends and perhaps a small group of people who are pissed enough to drag themselves to Un'goro and try to kill their characters. The overwhelming majority of the Alliance, does not and will never give an iota about what the Un'goro mafia does, and will just say "well dude, gotta have this stuff for my dee-pee-ess, and that's the price, and I ain't gonna bother with fighting those dudes, so I'll just pay the AH fee they've set".

That's what I'm referring to. Public reactions, not if interested collectives, minorities or authorities address or not the issue. A mafia isn't an identifiable foreign public enemy, it's a slithering parasite within the body of a group that gets intertwined with people's interests and indifference to endure for generations. Whether the State's prosecution launches a police raid every year or every week is not what I mean.


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I just looked my very own sentence. Found an immediate referral:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/f ... l.colombia

For every gram of coke snorted in Britain, someone in Colombia will have had their life taken away. Antony Barnett in Cartagena finds hard evidence to back up appeals to end Britain's habit

.... of a war that begins much closer to home, in the toilets of city bars or across the dinner tables of Britain's 'hip' middle-class. Eighty per cent of cocaine snorted up British noses comes from Colombia. ...


Foreign Minister Bill Rammell shares that view. For him it should be as socially taboo as was drinking a bottle of South African wine during apartheid. Rammell was in Colombia last week to offer the British government's backing to Uribe's fight. The UK now provides more than £1m a year in military aid to the Colombian armed forces, mostly in training.

He said: 'I find it hard to believe that anybody who has a conscience could feel at ease taking cocaine. People should be shamed into stopping.' He is considering getting this message across with groups such as Oxfam and Christian Aid.

The last quote is precisely what I mean regarding public lack of care. People *should* be embarassed to endorse a mafia. Yet, just go clubbing in London tomorrow, and see how much of that shame is being displayed by the high earners of the City.

[XxGokuxX]

I am happy to keep discussing this over pm's but I dont want to hijack this thread to have a conversation on mafias and the effect of the international drug trade.

[Dr. Doom]

I am happy to keep discussing this over pm's but I dont want to hijack this thread to have a conversation on mafias and the effect of the international drug trade.

Oh I didn't mean to elaborate either. I just initially posted a short two paragraph with the intent to tell people that before complaining about the guys in the Un'goro mafia, they should realise that the reason why these goons keep keep doing what they do (making gearing up for everyone else a pain), is because there will always be people funding them and paying their fees. That's all. Up to people to see who is to blame.

[Osirus]

this is seriously the the most hilarious shit i have seen on nost forums in over 8 months,

mafia conspiracy

[Diametra]

The point of this thread was OP asking Gm for guidance on the rules, which he received: cross-faction collusion is allowed, atleast insofar as the most efficient way to gather mats and repel any others from collecting the same mats. Leading OP to start a conversation about: Shouldn't cross faction collaboration be against the rules? If so, should there be an overarching rule against all collusion, or just a narrow rule in the case of gathering mats, or something in between?

Many in this thread are responding to what they want to read instead of what was written by OP. Thread is long since derailed.

In that light, Osiris you haven't been reading lately. There have been way funnier threads.

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[Pottu]

Diametra is correct. As I told the OP in our conversation, this inter-faction team-up is currently allowed. If you wish to combat the "mafia" or the "cartel", feel free to form your own groups and battle it over the Devilsaurs. As the thread has been derailed significantly enough, I am closing it.

The GM team.