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Re: Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts

by Mryul » Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:12 pm

Kurise wrote:
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Uzephi wrote:The only people that call this an exploit are level 20 and have never been to felwood. There is nothing more weird in multiple people getting felwood flowers than multiple people getting Ony buff.

Are you going to tell people to please leave before you pop the Onyxia buff? No? Okay, debate settled then.

You have no way to not let other people take your Onyxia buff. We have no way to not let other people click our Songflower buff.


Ony is purposely designed to give everyone in Stormwind the buff.

Songflower buff was intended for one person. Not everyone in Felwood.

Either this server is filled with 12 year olds that are incapable of critical thinking or this server just attracts the lowest common denominator.



You are that 12 year old. If you're going to post, then adress the problem. I'd love to hear your answer.

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=38263

If you don't have an answer for that, your post is irrelevant.
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Re: Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts

by Darkwinjax » Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:16 pm

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Lifealert wrote:A permaban for something so minor is unwarranted, especially against high profile members of the community. Duplicating gold is one thing, but farming tubers is another. Just as the staff unbanned Chinese wintraders (for really no logical reason) we must urge the staff to unban the nope members.


Ahh. So the GMs should let them exploit bugs because they are members of guilds clearing dungeons that were obliterated over 10 years ago?

They are not important. At all.

If the entire guild of NOPE was banned, absolutely nothing would happen. People would continue playing Vanilla WoW.

Some of these guys think their status of a raider somehow makes them impervious to the rules.


It's understandable that many here have personal grudges against NOPE because it's human nature to either adore or hate those superior to them.

But the reason these players deserve to be unbanned as already been stated many times, it's an unfair punishment for something that has been happening for 1 year and that noone knew was an exploit, these players weren't warned, and this behaviour had been happening since the start of the server and it was indeed blizzlike, there was no reason for ANYONE , regardless of guild, to believe that this was more of an exploit than killing the first guard in diremaul and resetting dungeon for the key.

It's not about being impervious to the rules, it's about having CLEAR AND OBJECTIVE rules defined, not punishing infractions and then stating that such behaviour that is common for any decent raiding guild and even happens RANDOMLY and in UNORGANIZED fashion is actually an infraction and an exploit (It's actually game mechanics and blizzlike)

Stop putting your own personal feelings or opinions of guilds and players in this matter, it has nothing to do with who is banned and everything to do with nostalrius infraction and banning policies.

You keep implying that these players knew that this was an exploit and took a risk, the reality is that NO ONE knew this was an exploit, most players knew that this was how it worked in retail and after 1 year of ZERO reports on bug trackers, ZERO communication from the developers and admins and ZERO warnings, 3 permanent bans were handed out 4 days ago, for something that is common behaviour amongst raiders of good guilds.

If you still can't see what's going on and would rather stay in your plebus mentality that these player were intentionally exploiting something that was blizzlike and whose status of existance has an exploit had never been adressed or warned by the administration then there are no arguments that will convince you otherwise.
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Re: Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts

by Judgeandjuried » Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:35 pm

NO ONE knew this was an exploit, most players knew that this was how it worked in retail and after 1 year of ZERO reports on bug trackers, ZERO communication from the developers and admins and ZERO warnings, 3 permanent bans were handed out 4 days ago, for something that is common behaviour amongst raiders of good guilds.


Not to mention that these players, completely unaware of any exploiting, streamed themselves doing this. Monkeynews, one of the most popular and most watched nostalrius streamers.

Another fun thing is that someone actually went through the trouble to dig up this recording from weeks ago and only reported them last week in an attempt to get these people banned on purpose.
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Re: Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts

by Snautz » Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:37 pm

Darkwinjax wrote:It's understandable that many here have personal grudges against NOPE because it's human nature to either adore or hate those superior to them.

Oh, so that's why you hate Dreamstate so much?
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Re: Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts

by Kurise » Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:39 pm

Mryul wrote:
You are that 12 year old. If you're going to post, then adress the problem. I'd love to hear your answer.

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=38263

If you don't have an answer for that, your post is irrelevant.


The problem was addressed kid. The repeat offenders were banned.

People are not getting banned because they grabbed the buff and some random joe came by a few minutes later to pick up the same Songflower.

These players were banned after repeatedly abusing a bug, after being told not to. It's as simple as that. Try thinking outside the box and the conclusion comes quite easily.
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Re: Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts

by Judgeandjuried » Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:40 pm

These players were banned after repeatedly abusing a bug, after being told not to.


Except for the part where this didn't happen.
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Re: Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts

by Kurise » Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:41 pm

Sharax wrote:I find it interesting that people get surprised when they push the boundaries to manipulate poorly designed game mechanics and get penalized by a staff that has shown that they have a very low tolerance for that kind of stuff.

I am totally fine having players getting banned that exploit or push along the boundaries of "grey" areas. Maybe Nost isn't the place for you guys looking to get an unintended edge. Worried about that Nost policy? Who cares? Go play on a "fun" server rofl.


Bolded the important part.

I'm glad the Nostalrius Devs and GMs take a more strict approach to abuses in game. Due to a small population and only one server, it allows them to moderate the server very well.

To repeat to people who have next to no online gaming experience; just because a bug/exploit is in game, does not give you the right to abuse them without consequence.
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Re: Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts

by Kurise » Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:42 pm

Judgeandjuried wrote:
These players were banned after repeatedly abusing a bug, after being told not to.


Except for the part where this didn't happen.


Says the NOPE guys.
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Re: Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts

by theemus » Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:46 pm

Kurise wrote:
Mryul wrote:
Uzephi wrote:The only people that call this an exploit are level 20 and have never been to felwood. There is nothing more weird in multiple people getting felwood flowers than multiple people getting Ony buff.

Are you going to tell people to please leave before you pop the Onyxia buff? No? Okay, debate settled then.

You have no way to not let other people take your Onyxia buff. We have no way to not let other people click our Songflower buff.


Ony is purposely designed to give everyone in Stormwind the buff.

Songflower buff was intended for one person. Not everyone in Felwood.

Either this server is filled with 12 year olds that are incapable of critical thinking or this server just attracts the lowest common denominator.


Ahh finally a Blizzard employee has logged onto the forums to tell us what they intended with the songflower buff.
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Re: Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts

by Kurise » Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:55 pm

theemus wrote:Ahh finally a Blizzard employee has logged onto the forums to tell us what they intended with the songflower buff.


Doesn't matter what Blizzard thinks.

Nostalrius GMs stated the intention of the buff. It's not intended to be used by multiple persons from one flower.

This is a buff from a sub level 60 zone. It was always intended as a buff for one person.

But I guess because you've been abusing this bug, you feel entitled to how it SHOULD function (to your benefit) not how it's supposed to function, which is a single buff to one person.

I cleared MC, BWL, AQ and Naxx on Sargeras in Vanilla. We didn't need to abuse buffs to get that done. Apparently progression is so important to NOPE, they will exploit to get there. Makes you think about what they've done in MC/BWL/ZG and what they will do in AQ, all for the sake of a server first on a 12 year old game.
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