Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts

[Darkwinjax]

It's understandable that many here have personal grudges against NOPE because it's human nature to either adore or hate those superior to them.

Oh, so that's why you hate Dreamstate so much?

Without competition this game would be boring and having foes only makes this game all the more enjoyable in my opinion, I do hate dreamstate, just like any boxer or fighter hates his opponents, this does not mean that I despise them, they help us improve and taking aside the superficial forum shitposting that takes place from both parts it becomes obvious that the existance of rivals and competitors is part of the vanilla experience and makes the game all the more interesting, not only that but it makes it so that both guilds improve and constantly try to surprass each other, which is in my opinion what every member of these kind of guilds ultimatly wants.

It is a shame that in the aftermath of losing a speedrun and getting triggered by the typical forum shitposting that takes place after such events, certain people would resort to searching through Monkeynews VoDs in order to find something that could get NOPE players banned, you could have chosen, from the hundreds of people who unorganized or organized (Which Dreamstate is / was also guilty of doing) dupped felwood nodes, many people were guilty of it, yet the reported players were 3 NOPE members, who in their own innocence and oblivious to the fact that this would actually have repurcussions and was an infraction, even streamed their "organized dupping", and i'll be the first to say it's of my opinion that the players who reported moo / slip / ranal did so with the intention of getting them banned, not because they gained some unfair advantage or exploited a major gamebreaking bug, but because you despise them, and that's something only a mediocre and sad person would do, and even the persons who reported them must have been surprised when they saw that they indeed got banned! Because everyone knows just how unfair this is, the only ones advocating for such bans and behaviour from Nostalrius are the same kind of people who reported them in the first place, mediocre and frustrated persons.

I've already stated all the reasons and inconsistancys in the Nostalrius banning methods, the complete lack of warning that somehow these frustrated persons think that these players were given, even though that is a lie and they weren't warned about this, NO ONE was, it could've been me, you or anyone who picks up these plants for raids getting the permanent ban for the terrible policies that nostalrius has and lack of communication that their team shows, not only on this situation, but on several others that have occured already.

If you still can't see why this is a problem and keep insisting on guild tags and your own preconceived opinions of these players or guilds then you aren't thinking rationaly, and are just encouraging nostalrius to keep up this shameful conduct of infractions and punishments that they have kept so far.

I remind you all again of the facts : There are only few facts here that we should not forget:
- The dupping of felwood nodes was blizzlike, and it's existance has been practiced on this server since the start by several guilds and players, be it organized or unorganized dupping.
- Nostalrius had never presented any complaints about this being a major or minor exploitation
- Nostalrius has been giving contradictory answers regarding the scale of the abuse, daemon claimed these players were major abusing, while the GM in the screenshot told me that organized dupping was minor exploitation.
- Until 3 days ago nobody knew this was even an exploit, and 3 players were permanently banned for Major exploitation aka Item dupping, even though I was told the organized collective gathering of felwood nodes was a minor exploitation and if you were caught doing it and the GMs considered it organized (By which criteria?) you would be WARNED, these players were NOT warned and 2 of them had no warnings prior to this event which makes the permanent ban even more nonesensical.
- Nostalrius is yet to present an objective criteria by which they judge if the dupping of nodes is organized or not, and since the dupping of nodes in the current patch is an innevitable fate, anyone can claim to be doing part of one of the other.


There were No warnings, Noone knew this was an infraction, there are no objective criteria by which they judge wether you were part of organized dupping, or not.

[Darkwinjax]

Ahh finally a Blizzard employee has logged onto the forums to tell us what they intended with the songflower buff.

Nostalrius GMs stated the intention of the buff. It's not intended to be used by multiple persons from one flower.

Yes, they did, and that's okay, it's their server, but permanantly banning 3 people BEFORE warning ANYONE about THEIR INTENTION is where this is wrong, and undeserved, do you honestly think they would stream their own account closure? Do you honestly think any of them thought that nostalrius didn't intend for it to work like this, even when this was common behaviour among players for 1 year? You think that someone with over 100 days played in 1 year would stream an exploit that would get their account banned?

I urge you to look at this rationally and step down from your high horse, this is a matter of miscommunication and poor infraction dialogue and poor punishment decisions from the staff, has demonstrated in other ocasions before.

[Kurise]

Ahh finally a Blizzard employee has logged onto the forums to tell us what they intended with the songflower buff.

Nostalrius GMs stated the intention of the buff. It's not intended to be used by multiple persons from one flower.

Yes, they did, and that's okay, it's their server, but permanantly banning 3 people BEFORE warning ANYONE about THEIR INTENTION is where this is wrong, and undeserved, do you honestly think they would stream their own account closure? Do you honestly think any of them thought that nostalrius didn't intend for it to work like this, even when this was common behaviour among players for 1 year? You think that someone with over 100 days played in 1 year would stream an exploit that would get their account banned?

I urge you to look at this rationally and step down from your high horse, this is a matter of miscommunication and poor infraction dialogue and poor punishment decisions from the staff, has demonstrated in other ocasions before.

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic. ... 3&start=30

Even if something was possible on retail does not mean it isn't an exploit. There are a lot of things that we've fixed along the way that were possible in retail vanilla, even common use in retail vanilla, but that doesn't mean it isn't an exploit.

The end result is that these players had multiple warnings on their accounts and were told that any further abuses would result in a permanent loss of their character if they continued to pursue and intentionally use exploits.The players did continue to pursue and intentionally use exploits and were banned as promised. Any further threads on this topic will be locked as it is now considered spam.

Let me step off my high horse and quote this GM, contradicting what they say.

Go look at the Support page. All the accounts that were banned for account sharing, trading, gold selling, etc etc etc. Everyone of them "Didn't do it."

[Kurise]

I'm sure these nerds will demand proof from GMs, which is an absolute joke.

The burden of proof lies with the exploit abusers whom were banned after repeated abuse.

They exploited, they even streamed it. They were banned.

Rekt.

[Darkwinjax]

You do realize that ranalape had 0 warning on his accounts and the warnings that these GMs are refering to are due to other events that took place, NOT THE CONSISTANT ABUSE OF FELWOOD NODES, they were not warned that this was a bug, they were banned for it because apparently it "stacked" with past offenses that they may have commited in the past, which in Monkeynews case was a warning for the AV queue (Which was also TERRIBLE behaviour from nostalrius, and you can go inform yourself on that one since the situation is pretty much the same has it is now, the players were banned for something that was completly blizzlike and weren't warned for doing it). Slipry had a warning for verbal harrassment (which a GM told him would not be a reason to worry about in future events) and Ranalapa had 0 warnings on his account.

You realize that even IF they had multiple, 5 or 10 or 50 warnings on their accounts, the FACT that nostalrius DID NOT WARN THEM that the dupping of felwood nodes was an INFRACTION or ANYONE in the community for that matter, and decided to permanantly ban them based on this is why this is wrong, you are not thinking rationally and are blinded by your own opinions from these players & guild, you keep misinterpeting the facts to try and fit your idea that they are guilty of major game exploitation.

NO ONE in the community was warned that the "organized" gathering of felwood nodes was an infraction, these 3 players were NOT warned either, according to nostalrius some of them were were warned that further infractions would result in a permanent ban, yet you still honestly believe that knowing this they would commit such an infraction for a stupid worthless, useless 700 hp potion.

[Judgeandjuried]

Nobody is denying that they did this mate.

As far as the multipile warnings concerned, Moo had a previous infraction from the AV fiasco. Slipry had an infraction on a different account but none on his warrior. Ranalapé had no previous infractions.

They were not warned about felwood plants, just like Nostalrius banned and blamed their own AV testers for not reporting the group queueing thing on the PTR even though nobody had any idea this was not intended.

[Kurise]

NO ONE in the community was warned that the "organized" gathering of felwood nodes was an infraction, these 3 players were NOT warned either, according to nostalrius some of them were were warned that further infractions would result in a permanent ban, yet you still honestly believe that knowing this they would commit such an infraction for a stupid worthless, useless 700 hp potion.

The GMs are contradicting what you're saying.

I believe them before what a person banned for exploiting says.

Can you provide the link where I can check the infractions issued to each account? You guys make it seem like you have access to a database which tracks infractions.

You're just repeating what the NOPE players told you. While on the flip side, the GMs are stating they were repeatedly told to stop exploiting or they would be banned.

[Darkwinjax]

I'm sure these nerds will demand proof from GMs, which is an absolute joke.

The burden of proof lies with the exploit abusers whom were banned after repeated abuse.

They exploited, they even streamed it. They were banned.

Rekt.

"Rekt"

Based on how ridiculous and childish this response is, clearly can see how personal your opinions are on this matter because of the players that got banned.

You can offer nothing in regards of the discussion of this thread which is "Nostalrius policy on banning accounts" and you simply want to derail this thread into off-topic and closure, so I will stop responding to you, your deeply personal and illogical opinion is already noted so let the rest of the community continue this discussion and avoid derailing the thread even further.

Noone is demanding GMs proof, no one is talking about burden of proof, everything you posted is falacies and strawmen to situations we never talked about, we simply want to discuss the validity of these bans and nostalrius banning policy.

We already saw your type before in the silithus miners case, you take a strange pleasure from other peoples suffering at the hands of misplaced judgements and bad policies, you can offer zero to this thread.

[Judgeandjuried]

I think you're reading Nano's post wrong though mate. 'The players did continue .. were banned as promised' refers to their previous infractions of a different kind. They did not get a warning about the whole felwood thing.

[Kurise]

We already saw your type before in the silithus miners case, you take a strange pleasure from other peoples suffering at the hands of misplaced judgements and bad policies, you can offer zero to this thread.

I love when people get banned for exploiting stupid shit to get a small advantage in this already ridiculously easy game.

I played WoW extensively, but I'm now molded by Darkfall. Something 99.99999999999999999% of you people wouldn't last a second in.