A suggestion from the MaNGOS founder

[vibe]

And if you want to see what kind of work I do, browse to http://docs.getmangos.com/ and you will see this is something that is beneficial for the whole community. Now name a WoW development team which did something this helpful for the community. Just an example.

Last commit on 2015-03-21, did you guys stop contributing to the project?

[r00ty]

Ah yes, yes I have. There are MANY things bugged in Vanilla on stock mangos. Most talents and a bunch of spells are broken. NPC AI broken, DR timers and categories not implemented correctly, the way stealth behaves and stealth detection is updated as well as stealth level calculations, the immense database cleanup that needs to happen, especially considering humanoid blue/epic drop rates as well as PLENTY of other shit.

Most servers spend years hackfixing all of that shit. Some re-write the NPC API at least. While maintaining event_ai and scriptdev2 as the underlying system. The fact that you don't notice all these differences either means you're not truly paying attention or you vastly overestimate how good MaNGOS really is.

I feel you may be misunderstanding, or at least misrepresenting the priorities of the various public projects. Generally they are the core aspects. Rather than aiming for "blizzlike" results. Having said that, there's generally nothing stopping people that know how it should be and are able to implement that contributing to these projects. But, of course such a person is a rarity.

This. I'm not talking about just mangos servers, but also trinity.

Nobody. Ever. Shares. Their. Fixes.
Then you end up with seven severs with seven fixes, that they're hoarding for themselves and how the hell is anybody supposed to have a working server when they don't have the dev capacity and stock emulator has the same bugs it has when it started?

To a certain extent, I think this is based on many people's desire for either adulation, money or both. You can generally only get that by running a successful server, with exclusive content you don't share.

Just look at the low number of contributors to the various emulation projects. Because, how many people know the names of the people that contribute a lot of the features they see on their favourite private server, that work on the upstream project? Most don't even know they exist!

I've always been of the opinion that single server projects will always come and go. The BEST way to contribute is to the upstream projects. Then they can benefit all future (and current) servers. Your work doesn't die, when that project dies. I'd never work for a specific server project on this basis alone.

[krill156]

And if you want to see what kind of work I do, browse to http://docs.getmangos.com/ and you will see this is something that is beneficial for the whole community. Now name a WoW development team which did something this helpful for the community. Just an example.

Last commit on 2015-03-21, did you guys stop contributing to the project?

No https://github.com/mangoszero/server/tree/develop21

We do everything in a development branch, away from master. Some time next week or the week after that we plan on releasing Dev21 into the Master branch.

[Winterflaw]

If someone REALLY wanted to make a difference, they would start with Vanilla/TBC (because the two are very similar) and write a core from scratch the way Crestfall-WoW or WoW-PP have claimed to do.

And they'd do it in C

[Winterflaw]

So I've just caught up on the thread, from yesterday.

Couple of people seem to be bitching at luda, which, frankly, boggles my mind.

These guys for nothing released a bunch of software which has been of infinite value to the Vanilla WoW community.

There is no downside to this. There is no way in which anyone can turn around - when they've done all this for nothing, zero, nilch, zarro - and say, "oh, jesus, fools, you should have done this, or that, and look at the problems we have now!"

[vibe]

And if you want to see what kind of work I do, browse to http://docs.getmangos.com/ and you will see this is something that is beneficial for the whole community. Now name a WoW development team which did something this helpful for the community. Just an example.

Last commit on 2015-03-21, did you guys stop contributing to the project?

No https://github.com/mangoszero/server/tree/develop21

We do everything in a development branch, away from master. Some time next week or the week after that we plan on releasing Dev21 into the Master branch.

So you're using github instead of bitbucket as specified in the docs.getmangos ...

[r00ty]

If someone REALLY wanted to make a difference, they would start with Vanilla/TBC (because the two are very similar) and write a core from scratch the way Crestfall-WoW or WoW-PP have claimed to do.

And they'd do it in C

How retro!

[uranix]

So you're using github instead of bitbucket as specified in the docs.getmangos ...

github (getmangos.eu) is a different project (fork). See http://getmangos.com/ "The former mangos project"

[Veydron]

11 year is a long time..

I just wanna thank you to for you time, your motivation and your energy to creating mangos.
Without you there where NO VANILLA Community these days... and only retail wow...
You are the true father of the Vanilla Community

You make my life a little happier and from the botton of my heart i wanna say.. thank you !

[Xaverius]

There'S too many of these projects ven when we're talking about opensource :p.