A suggestion from the MaNGOS founder

[r00ty]

There'S too many of these projects ven when we're talking about opensource :p.

Of course, it's the truest form of democracy. Democracy by consensus.

Someone has an idea, they pitch it to whichever community they're part of. It's rejected, so they branch to their own project and implement their own idea. Some people might follow them and in time they might even be more popular than the original community project.

Over time you have a mix of fragmented projects, some active, some inactive. You can't force someone to close their project and you can't prevent someone forking and going their own way. But you can see which project(s) have the most active developers and probably you could say they have some consensus. Or, you join one that suits your own ideas regardless of activity. It's down to you.

[theluda]

It's down to you.

That is actually the thing. Having the source at hand for everyone to see, gives everyone the opportunity to also do something good for the community.

Having e.g. three versions of mangos for vanilla gives everyone a choice. Each has their own benefits, some just work on features, others fix bugs, etc.

But thanks to it being open and released, you can chose, in many cases combine changes, remix, and enjoy the best from all variants.

[Drasheran]

theluda, don't you think this discussion is something you should be having with the the nostalrius dev team directly, instead of involving the nost community?

[locario]

I'm agree with TheLuda.

I think Nost team are waiting any response to letter to Blizzard, and i think they will wait until that letter don't have more signets. Peharps in that moment the source code can be public in GitHub.

I'm waiting to see where Nost dev's team will continue, and where the DB will be released (private server in safe country)

Best Regards

[Castro]

theluda, don't you think this discussion is something you should be having with the the nostalrius dev team directly, instead of involving the nost community?

Who says he hasn't tried? Anyway, it is a good thing that players get to know about the open source servers out there and can think about contributing. Even if you are no programmer the installation process is doable and bug reporting or testing patches is a great way to help. In case any future Nostalrius project goes up, there is a good chance they will be able to add patches from these projects, as it was based on their code in the first place.

[metagame]

I played on Feenix before Nostalrius was a thing. There was a day when someone made a level 10 and started advertising the Nostalrius URL in trade chat. I don't know who it was, but they seemed to have some knowledge of programming as I engaged in a private message conversation with them, exactly on this topic.

Basically the argument I made was: if you're advertising a server that will have no donation items or subscription fee, why don't you just release the updates you've made to the engine on github? That will be the best way to truly contribute to the Vanilla WoW community. There was no answer to this question, other than the fact that the changes will be kept proprietary and the server will never have "pay to win" features.

In the scenario where all code is open-source, the community is strengthened. Since the software is the same everywhere, users can choose the service that has the best peripheral devices (best forum/website, most professional staff, best hardware, best decision making). Nostalrius happened to have the best of each of these, which we as the community are extremely lucky and also thankful for.

[octet]

Yeah, I think the "releasing src to the community" is a power move from Nost admins. This could be used as leverage in some way against blizzard. Hopefully they release the source so we can learn from it and make Vanilla wow great again.

[Mopar]

I'm wondering if the Mangos founder can, you know, read.
Read the announcement, for goodness sake. Does it not say that they plan to do exactly what you ask for?

[theluda]

theluda, don't you think this discussion is something you should be having with the the nostalrius dev team directly, instead of involving the nost community?

They are free to discuss this with me or the remaining Open Source developers anyhow they like. I just provide a public, honest offer.

Why? Because private discussions are the reasons why so many projects failed, forked, contributed their part to the vanilla community losing valued information, contributions, data, etc.

The decision about releasing the source to the community affects everyone and should not be done privately.

Though I would agree the discussion about player data is a different thing, since without every players consent Nostalrius can not legally hand it over to another project.

[theluda]

I'm wondering if the Mangos founder can, you know, read.
Read the announcement, for goodness sake. Does it not say that they plan to do exactly what you ask for?

The statement I received from the team was

If we release the sources, it will be public & for free.

As you can see there is actually an IF.