Worried about Nostalrius policy on banning accounts

[Noxm]

So who have got banned for songflower buffing?

By the words of the staff iteself, buffing songflower or collecting tubbers is the same infraction.

KEK

Varth is correct - countdown clicking is a clear sign that the players were aware that this was an exploit. The item in question was meant to give a buff to a single person. Abusing lag to gain that buff for multiple characters at the same time is exploiting.

The GM team.

[Wrathran]

Player:

you realize NOONE was warned that this was an exploit

Game Master:

these players had multiple warnings on their accounts and were told that any further abuses would result in a permanent loss

Why would Game Master lie?

[Judgeandjuried]

You're not reading it right. They have previous warnings from different things, not about Felwood plants.

[Snautz]

It's understandable that many here have personal grudges against NOPE because it's human nature to either adore or hate those superior to them.

Oh, so that's why you hate Dreamstate so much?

Without competition this game would be boring and having foes only makes this game all the more enjoyable in my opinion, I do hate dreamstate, just like any boxer or fighter hates his opponents, this does not mean that I despise them, they help us improve and taking aside the superficial forum shitposting that takes place from both parts it becomes obvious that the existance of rivals and competitors is part of the vanilla experience and makes the game all the more interesting, not only that but it makes it so that both guilds improve and constantly try to surprass each other, which is in my opinion what every member of these kind of guilds ultimatly wants.

It is a shame that in the aftermath of losing a speedrun and getting triggered by the typical forum shitposting that takes place after such events, certain people would resort to searching through Monkeynews VoDs in order to find something that could get NOPE players banned, you could have chosen, from the hundreds of people who unorganized or organized (Which Dreamstate is / was also guilty of doing) dupped felwood nodes, many people were guilty of it, yet the reported players were 3 NOPE members, who in their own innocence and oblivious to the fact that this would actually have repurcussions and was an infraction, even streamed their "organized dupping", and i'll be the first to say it's of my opinion that the players who reported moo / slip / ranal did so with the intention of getting them banned, not because they gained some unfair advantage or exploited a major gamebreaking bug, but because you despise them, and that's something only a mediocre and sad person would do, and even the persons who reported them must have been surprised when they saw that they indeed got banned! Because everyone knows just how unfair this is, the only ones advocating for such bans and behaviour from Nostalrius are the same kind of people who reported them in the first place, mediocre and frustrated persons.

I've already stated all the reasons and inconsistancys in the Nostalrius banning methods, the complete lack of warning that somehow these frustrated persons think that these players were given, even though that is a lie and they weren't warned about this, NO ONE was, it could've been me, you or anyone who picks up these plants for raids getting the permanent ban for the terrible policies that nostalrius has and lack of communication that their team shows, not only on this situation, but on several others that have occured already.

If you still can't see why this is a problem and keep insisting on guild tags and your own preconceived opinions of these players or guilds then you aren't thinking rationaly, and are just encouraging nostalrius to keep up this shameful conduct of infractions and punishments that they have kept so far.

I remind you all again of the facts : There are only few facts here that we should not forget:
- The dupping of felwood nodes was blizzlike, and it's existance has been practiced on this server since the start by several guilds and players, be it organized or unorganized dupping.
- Nostalrius had never presented any complaints about this being a major or minor exploitation
- Nostalrius has been giving contradictory answers regarding the scale of the abuse, daemon claimed these players were major abusing, while the GM in the screenshot told me that organized dupping was minor exploitation.
- Until 3 days ago nobody knew this was even an exploit, and 3 players were permanently banned for Major exploitation aka Item dupping, even though I was told the organized collective gathering of felwood nodes was a minor exploitation and if you were caught doing it and the GMs considered it organized (By which criteria?) you would be WARNED, these players were NOT warned and 2 of them had no warnings prior to this event which makes the permanent ban even more nonesensical.
- Nostalrius is yet to present an objective criteria by which they judge if the dupping of nodes is organized or not, and since the dupping of nodes in the current patch is an innevitable fate, anyone can claim to be doing part of one of the other.


There were No warnings, Noone knew this was an infraction, there are no objective criteria by which they judge wether you were part of organized dupping, or not.

You do realize in most boxing matches the fighters 'fake' their hate towards the opponent in order to build hype around the fight, and they usually end up hugging and complimenting each other once the fight ends? Yea you kinda forgot about that part called sportsmanship.

-Acussing others without presenting any proof
-Bad sportsmanship
-Cancerous personality

All valid reasons to hate you, but nah people definitely hates people like you and slipry because you're above average at a game you spend an unfathomable amount of hours at.

And I dunno why you felt the need to write the rest, at no point did I imply I was FOR the bans. I'm against them, and maybe I would be as furious about it as you if it wasn't slipry that got banned.

[Wrathran]

You're not reading it right. They have previous warnings from different things, not about Felwood plants.

Ok that sounds terrible. Where do you find this fact? Can you show me a source?

[Darkwinjax]

you realize NOONE was warned that this was an exploit

The GMs say otherwise.

Okay, Moo / slipry / ranalapa were told that organized duping of songflowers and tubbers was an infraction and that further doing this would result in a ban (But the rest of the server was doing it either ways, guess they forgot to warn them instead) and then they decided to one afternoon stream it so that the vod of them exploiting so they could get banned.

Surely even a fool like yourself can see the unrationatly behind such statement and line of thought.

[Snautz]

Now that I think about it, it's actually kinda ironic that you accuse DS of being behind these reports without presenting any proof, and yet you expect Nostalrius to let everything out in the open? Hypocrite much?

[Darkwinjax]

Now that I think about it, it's actually kinda ironic that you accuse DS of being behind these reports without presenting any proof, and yet you expect Nostalrius to let everything out in the open? Hypocrite much?

You have already admited your hate and disgust for the players involved, would it be far fetched to assume a salty member from dreamstate was behind the grief-report after being triggered bysome slipry post?

You are right though, I'm not going to point fingers, and playing the blame game will get us nowhere near the objective of this thread, we are here to make nostalrius know that their policies are wrong and ultimatly a banning policy that works arround banning, and then declaring the infraction and exploit, promote that same kind of grief-reporting behaviour that lead to this whole ordeal and makes players feel unsafe about anything, since what was actually standard behaviour for many guilds (Felwood node picking) has actually been an infraction being exploited from the start of the server.

And perhaps you forgot that it's players on both factions and guilds that engage in the shittalk and forum skittles threads, you'd be wrong to think slipry is the only shitposter and that dreamstate has none, but let's not talk about this here and keep the thread to it's topic, it's time for nostalrius to recognize the mistakes in it's policies and realize that they were in the wrong on banning those 3 players.

[Mryul]

You're not reading it right. They have previous warnings from different things, not about Felwood plants.

Ok that sounds terrible. Where do you find this fact? Can you show me a source?

Find a source of something that doesn't exist. Are you retarded?

Nobody knew Nost considered this an exploit (for good reason) until they were banned.

[Darkwinjax]

You're not reading it right. They have previous warnings from different things, not about Felwood plants.

Ok that sounds terrible. Where do you find this fact? Can you show me a source?

Find a source of something that doesn't exist. Are you retarded?

Nobody knew Nost considered this anexploit (for good reason) until they were banned.

I understand that explaining your points and the situation to these people is hard, but refrain from anything (name calling etc) that might be considered off-topic, we don't want to give moderators any reason to lock this thread please.

And in answer to Wrathran, simply read the posts above and you will realize that for 1 year this was not considered an exploit, and that these 3 players were banned and then announced the reason for, that being, that the common blizzlike behaviour that happened on nostalrius for 1 year was actually an infraction.

The warnings that Nano refers to are previous warnings that these players had on their accounts (This does not in any way justify a punishment before declaring an infraction, or waiting for a certain player to commit a COMMON and STANDARD act and proceed to punish the player and then call it an infraction), however we can guarantee you that ranalape and slipry had 0 previous warnings on their account, and Monkeynews had one from an EXACTLY same situation regarding AV premade queueing, I do not know why the GMs claim that slipry and ranalape had warnings, but I can only assume it is so they can justify the absurdity of punishing standard and common behaviour that goes on for 1 year and is actually blizzlike and proceeding to call in an infraction.