I would happily buy2play Legacy WoW but NEVER subscribe

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Re: I would happily buy2play Legacy WoW but NEVER subscribe

by Forcerius » Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:59 pm

They don't owe you anything, you got exactly what you paid for. If you don't like it, go play those free games you keep talking about.


Matter of opinion. At the time, vanilla wow was worth it, but not after playing it for 10 years and paying that much already. Good advice though, alot of people will do that.

I'm actually glad Blizzard shut down the only free server without replacing it, because it made me realize that there's other things I enjoy more, even if I still occasionally check the forums.
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Re: I would happily buy2play Legacy WoW but NEVER subscribe

by Fogtripper » Tue Jun 07, 2016 12:49 pm

Here's my take:
I started back in beta and then retail through TBC and part of Wrath. The expansions killed what I found enjoyable; vanilla. I paid for the game, I paid for the subscription. I left when I found blizzard had killed the game in my opinion. The game that I had originally loved and paid for.

Someone earlier wondered how many who had played vanilla retail still play retail. I would imagine very few. IMHO, it would effect blizzard not a bit to allow Nost to simply get back up and running as they were.

IF and that is a big IF, new players decided to play Nost, they may very well get the itch to move to retail. Blizzard could gain those players with a character transfer from the Nost data, in partnership with Nost.

Would I pay for a purely vanilla legacy server hosted by Blizzard? No way in hell for the $13/mo or so. $3 or so is about max. Blizzard would not need to be sucking money up to make profit or future expansion work from vanilla, it is for all intents and purposes complete. The $3 could go toward the vanilla GMs (which I would prefer to be the nost folk) One server running vanilla out of how many they currently run on retail?

Could I afford the $13? Yes. However I already have enough incremental small monthly purchases as an adult, and they all add up.
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Re: I would happily buy2play Legacy WoW but NEVER subscribe

by kovenant » Tue Jun 07, 2016 1:07 pm

[quote="Fogtripper"][/quote]
$3 is really not enough.
it has to pay for the location, server costs and maintenance / cooling/ internet / hosting / gm's / license fees / development etc.

everything will be billed even if it is internal used.

if they would cross 100K paying subscription I guess they could go for around 5 - 7 euro
but 9.99 is more realistic.
it's a company and they don't run on water and there is always someone that wants a proper return on their investment.
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Re: I would happily buy2play Legacy WoW but NEVER subscribe

by melak » Wed Jun 08, 2016 5:20 am

kovenant wrote:
Fogtripper wrote:

$3 is really not enough.
it has to pay for the location, server costs and maintenance / cooling/ internet / hosting / gm's / license fees / development etc.

everything will be billed even if it is internal used.

if they would cross 100K paying subscription I guess they could go for around 5 - 7 euro
but 9.99 is more realistic.
it's a company and they don't run on water and there is always someone that wants a proper return on their investment.


Insane amount of people think it should be free, i think they live in some other dimension where money does not exist.
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Re: I would happily buy2play Legacy WoW but NEVER subscribe

by Forcerius » Wed Jun 08, 2016 6:48 pm

melak wrote:Insane amount of people think it should be free, i think they live in some other dimension where money does not exist.


You mean like the people who play Guild Wars 2, Tera, Blade and Soul, Counter Strike, League of Legends, Neverwinter, Skyforge, etc?

Are you saying that all those companies fund their servers illegally? Lol?
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Re: I would happily buy2play Legacy WoW but NEVER subscribe

by jim1771 » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:37 pm

Forcerius wrote:
melak wrote:Insane amount of people think it should be free, i think they live in some other dimension where money does not exist.


You mean like the people who play Guild Wars 2, Tera, Blade and Soul, Counter Strike, League of Legends, Neverwinter, Skyforge, etc?

Are you saying that all those companies fund their servers illegally? Lol?

Those games are F2P or B2P with cash shops to constantly bring in money. Blizz has very little in their shop.
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Re: I would happily buy2play Legacy WoW but NEVER subscribe

by Drain » Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:32 pm

They run stupid cash shops we'd rather not have. They survive by milking whales, who pay more than they should, to cover for people like you, who don't want to pay anything. I loathe this business model because all the stuff you're buying in the cash shop is amputated from the game itself. Rather than obtain stuff IN the game, it's now bought in a real store. There's no immersion in a game when you go to the local blacksmith, don't have enough gold for his weapon, but rather than go work for gold like you should, you get out your real life credit card. In real life, if you can't afford something, you have to go get a job to get the money until you can afford it. You do not buy money with money, thus you should not buy gold with money.

I'm not saying people shouldn't have the option of donating excessive money to a game to support it, but when you start getting amputated content sold back to you; this is shit. Luckily it's only skins in decent games. But in bad games, you actually get gold, boosts, equipment, or worse yet, premium equipment regular suckers can't even acquire. The games you've mentioned are the decent few out of a flooded market of 1,000 other shitty F2P games. Many even sell a box and then run a store afterwards, such as retail WoW, as if the constant boxes and subs weren't enough. They charge for account services too, things that used to be free. When your server was overpopulated or dying back in the day, they'd give free transfers to help population balances. Now they want 25$ per character to do it. They sold out.
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Re: I would happily buy2play Legacy WoW but NEVER subscribe

by melak » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:16 am

Forcerius wrote:
melak wrote:Insane amount of people think it should be free, i think they live in some other dimension where money does not exist.


You mean like the people who play Guild Wars 2, Tera, Blade and Soul, Counter Strike, League of Legends, Neverwinter, Skyforge, etc?

Are you saying that all those companies fund their servers illegally? Lol?


You sir, must be really stupid. I have said before that if they want to make WoW into some free to play crap they would have to rebuild it from scratch. The business model they used does not fit, but you rather have that i guess with tons of shit to buy to get x amount of perks and pink hair etc, aka more and more like retail is evolving into.

Last time i checked Guild wars 2 and CS required you to buy the game, how is that free to play? I guess what you meant was that it has no monthly sub, that does not mean "free to play". You are just bitching over the fact that you somehow feel entitled to not pay since you have been a loyal lapdog and payed blizz for 10 years, am i right?
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Re: I would happily buy2play Legacy WoW but NEVER subscribe

by Forcerius » Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:24 pm

melak wrote:
Forcerius wrote:
melak wrote:Insane amount of people think it should be free, i think they live in some other dimension where money does not exist.


You mean like the people who play Guild Wars 2, Tera, Blade and Soul, Counter Strike, League of Legends, Neverwinter, Skyforge, etc?

Are you saying that all those companies fund their servers illegally? Lol?


You sir, must be really stupid. I have said before that if they want to make WoW into some free to play crap they would have to rebuild it from scratch. The business model they used does not fit, but you rather have that i guess with tons of shit to buy to get x amount of perks and pink hair etc, aka more and more like retail is evolving into.

Last time i checked Guild wars 2 and CS required you to buy the game, how is that free to play? I guess what you meant was that it has no monthly sub, that does not mean "free to play". You are just bitching over the fact that you somehow feel entitled to not pay since you have been a loyal lapdog and payed blizz for 10 years, am i right?


Obviously you have to buy Guild Wars 2, just like vanilla WoW, except Guild Wars 2 is FREE - TO - PLAY. Either you're too stupid to understand that or just being petty on purpose, or both. And there's other ways to generate money without affecting the game, like with merchandise. Not to mention the billions of dollars they've already made, or with crowdfunding that would cost far less than a monthly sub. What you don't understand is that they simply aren't willing to do it for the good of the community like Nostalrius was, they want to make more money, as if what they've made already isn't enough.
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Re: I would happily buy2play Legacy WoW but NEVER subscribe

by Forcerius » Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:43 pm

Drain wrote:They run stupid cash shops we'd rather not have. They survive by milking whales, who pay more than they should, to cover for people like you, who don't want to pay anything. I loathe this business model because all the stuff you're buying in the cash shop is amputated from the game itself. Rather than obtain stuff IN the game, it's now bought in a real store. There's no immersion in a game when you go to the local blacksmith, don't have enough gold for his weapon, but rather than go work for gold like you should, you get out your real life credit card. In real life, if you can't afford something, you have to go get a job to get the money until you can afford it. You do not buy money with money, thus you should not buy gold with money.

I'm not saying people shouldn't have the option of donating excessive money to a game to support it, but when you start getting amputated content sold back to you; this is shit. Luckily it's only skins in decent games. But in bad games, you actually get gold, boosts, equipment, or worse yet, premium equipment regular suckers can't even acquire. The games you've mentioned are the decent few out of a flooded market of 1,000 other shitty F2P games. Many even sell a box and then run a store afterwards, such as retail WoW, as if the constant boxes and subs weren't enough. They charge for account services too, things that used to be free. When your server was overpopulated or dying back in the day, they'd give free transfers to help population balances. Now they want 25$ per character to do it. They sold out.


I hear what you're saying, but its a matter of perspective and good will. The best model, depending on your definition of best, is crowdfunding to cover server costs and the staff, then dividing the inevitable surplus, instead of trying to make as much profit as possible. That allows people to play the game at minimal cost, with reasonable pay for the staff, along with extra from donations. People donate plenty of money to watch people stream games "because they like them", so its reasonable to assume that donations would exceed the costs of running the game, especially if the company has such a good image from doing that for the community.

"But isn't that the same as a sub?" Depends on how much you pay the staff.

And I know Blizzard is thinking, "dude, $15 a month from 200,000 subscribers is alot of money, can you blame us? Would you accept $10,000 a month instead of $100,000? Yes I would, for the sake of the community and avoiding greed. And those numbers aren't entirely accurate of course, but you get the point. $15 x 200,000 subscribers is about $2 million per month, divided by 20 staff is $100,000 per person. Isn't that bigger than the Nostalrius team anyway? For example. And a dedicated server costs $400 per month at most. Most gaming servers are less.
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