Un'Goro Mafia

[warcraftselblatt]

This is a conversation I had with Pottu about the legality of the mafia. I always felt that, that type of group broke the rules, or at least the spirit of the rules. I would love to hear the communities thoughts.








TL;DR - Horde and Alliance working together so that a small faction of the population controls all devilsaur is totally OK.

[Jurary]

mafia is already history

[Shrooms]

&*!@#$

[Setup]

The obvious solution, as suggested by Pottu, is for you to organize a group.

They took the time to organize a group. Why can't you?

Why do you feel like they should be disallowed from organizing other players to do something?

[XxGokuxX]

The obvious solution, as suggested by Pottu, is for you to organize a group.

They took the time to organize a group. Why can't you?

Why do you feel like they should be disallowed from organizing other players to do something?

he never disagreed that making a suggestion post is the way to go but, had to know that it wasnt against the rules before making a suggestion.

At this point im trying to figure out a way to word a suggestion post, as suggesting just the ungoro mafia be against the rules is to limited and suggesting all alliance/horde cooperation be against the rules is to broad.

my feeling is that world of warcraft is supposed to be war. if horde and alliance are working together the whole point of the game is defeated. Especially when that cooperation is used to monopolize a limited resource.

[Ana]

my feeling is that world of warcraft is supposed to be war.

Then your feelings are based on something other than facts. Lorewise there is a truce in place.

And as much as vathdaar and others are insufferable cunts, deeming their activity illegal is laughable. They're actively roleplaying in a roleplaying game

[Turgon]

So happy I farmed these long before the Mafia existed.

[Turgon]

On a side note, there's really no reason to buy devilsaur gear anymore. You can easily just get other items or get carried in MC for better stuff at this point.

[Simonich]

I didnt like to bother with this whole situation for the fact that people in your faction are enemies too, and the atmosphere of this is too wicked

[Diametra]

At this time, the TOS refers only to cross faction communication for: "Organized killing for farming rank and/or honor." So, we're talking specifically about collusion to gain rank, whether in BGs or world PvP. There was wording which also included single operator cross faction spying, but for the life of me I can't find it now. There are however remnants of it that I see:

The account was closed for mulitboxing / faction spying, neither of which are allowed on this server.

Same.

From the post on multi-boxing:

- Spying on the enemy faction to know where X player is about to gank him.
- Power leveling a character (I.e. using a higher level character to help the lower level one).

so I guess it depends on if these characters were being controlled by the same person or not. If so, I could see them getting dinged for spying and/or power leveling. but if it's two friends I don't think there's anything that can be done.

y Pottu » Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:51 am

Our rules for multiboxing are quite clear - it doesn't matter what you've used to in other games or on other servers.

You cannot have two clients online at the same time, EXCEPT for

1) Trading between your main and bank alt
or
2) Enchanting between your main and enchanting alt
or
3) Some other profession between your main and that profession alt

No PvP/BG-spying, no 60-following your leveling alt, no having your alt follow your 60 through instances or questing in the world.

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These refer to cross faction multi-boxing really.

I have to think a flat rule banning cross-faction collusion for any gain or all gains is problematic because of how sticky it would be to have to sit down and sort through it. At its root it's hard to prove without like...a recording of these same people in voip together over video or some type of hard to gather indisputable evidence that they are working in unison.

If the cross faction spying rule is still in effect, that in conjunction with “organized killing” already makes this a sticky matter. If it doesn’t matter that they are organized, cross faction, to profit from their collusion, then is it disputable they are organized to gain honor from ganking anyone close to the devilsaurs? It’s fairly obvious from thier movements and actions that they are working in unison to kill anyone of either faction in proximity to them, right?

My feeling is that any form of cross faction collusion should be a banable offense. It eats at the fabric of the game. It minimalizes important boundaries to lore, faction loyalty, and the essence of what one should reasonably expect. It turns on it’s head the idea that the enemy is an npc or the opposite faction. The enemy is anyone and everyone in this case and I really don’t think that’s a great thing for the game.

Our rules do not always stand on intent, but they should aspire to. Much like the botting rule, it is open ended and unwieldy but it weighs intent as it’s principle.