Preach on Nostalrius

[Lokrosh]

Apparantly Nostalrius wasn't a big deal and it's all blown out of proportion. I used to like Preach but it's like he doesn't want to see the problems with current WoW anymore.

starts at 13:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY_Qs0MEitE

[PeaceHammer]

No surprise there. He makes money off supporting current WoW.

[Hydra9268]

He's the textbook definition of a Tool.

[Docholy]

Op you got to understand Prech gets money from his WOW vidoes. His primary source of income, so its in his best interest to keep telling people to play wow. If he acknowledged vanilla and the private server community he would be indirectly taking food out of his mouth. Much like the other minor youtube wow celebs, they have no interest in telling people to stop playing wow. They encourage people to play on and let blizzard milk them for many years to come. The only person who has some integrity is Total biscuit in my eyes, he left wow and he diversified his account enough to break away with the truth.

The other minor youtube guys speak out but they too still want you all to begrudgingly play wow.

[DeathKnight042]

He's not saying these things because he would lose money. He's saying it from a financial standpoint of Blizz. As much as they would love to make the servers, it would end up splitting the community alot. And then future expats would get nowhere and wow would die fairly quickly with only those legacy servers to keep it going. And then soon those servers would he shutdown. No more new content. Poof. Gone.

[Docholy]

He's not saying these things because he would lose money. He's saying it from a financial standpoint of Blizz. As much as they would love to make the servers, it would end up splitting the community alot. And then future expats would get nowhere and wow would die fairly quickly with only those legacy servers to keep it going. And then soon those servers would he shutdown. No more new content. Poof. Gone.

Exactly, so if they have zero intentions of using vanilla, tbc or even wrath they should just leave things be.

[Dr. Doom]

He's not saying these things because he would lose money. He's saying it from a financial standpoint of Blizz. As much as they would love to make the servers, it would end up splitting the community alot. And then future expats would get nowhere and wow would die fairly quickly with only those legacy servers to keep it going. And then soon those servers would he shutdown. No more new content. Poof. Gone.

Exactly, so if they have zero intentions of using vanilla, tbc or even wrath they should just leave things be.

There will be a point where this will happen. I think we could all use that to breathe for a moment and keep it cool precisely because it's more a certainty than speculation.

Blizzard only shuts down servers as long as they consider going to the trouble of doing so is worth it.

WoW is a dying product, with more past than future. We know that, retail players know that deep down, Blizzard employees know that, and Activision white collars have known that for several years now. Q4 2015 was the first time in years that World of Warcraft was less than 50% of Blizzard's revenue. It will not recover. The film and the new expacs might create a surge every now and then, but it will all dissipate quick enough, just like WoD's 10 million on launch did. They're using this time to get as much profit as the franchise can give and redistribute it to more promising products, Overwatch or what have you. Once WoW reaches a point where it's the marginal side game for the company, or if it ends up just shutting down like SWG did back in 2011, there'll be little to no interest in paying up a guy in the legal department to go research French/Swedish/whatever laws and file a cease and desist letter.

LucasArts doesn't condone SWGEmu. They won't allow SOE, in spite of the latter wanting to, to release the code since Star Wars copyright is there. But do they go after SWGEmu? No, it's not worth the trouble to squabble over a forgotten product from the past.

[mathgod50]

I think wow is already gone man. Sure there are suckers who are paying for faction changes and gold and what not right now, but the subscriptions are going to be so low within the next few months they won't even make money for that. And Dr. Doom, I must say I do not care about their new content. This is not an classic rpg I'm playing, its either raid or arena and gtfo.

[Dr. Doom]

I think wow is already gone man. Sure there are suckers who are paying for faction changes and gold and what not right now, but the subscriptions are going to be so low within the next few months they won't even make money for that. And Dr. Doom, I must say I do not care about their new content. This is not an classic rpg I'm playing, its either raid or arena and gtfo.

Agreed with you on all accounts. Everyone but the most rabid fan knows that WoW is heading for total stagnation (WoD added literally nothing but gimmicks compared to what was offered in MoP) and ultimately a less-than-glorious end as the shelved product in Blizzard's web store, or just total shutdown if not.

The game is really.... small. Can't quite describe otherwise.
I have followed a fair share of Legion videos, text reports and feedback, and essentially it seems that it will be this:

- An introductory event in the Broken Shore that lasts 1h30m
- A 15m quest to get an artifact weapon.
- A grand total of 8 hours of questing/world content in the 4 areas added in Broken Isles. The least amount of areas added in any expansion. You'll reach 110 by the end of it.
- Order Hall missions similar to Garrisons, only with longer wait times reaching sometimes 1 whole day or more, part of which is required for your 'main questline' related to the artifact weapon. Occasionally the waiting will give you one quest that you go faceroll on the world on your own, and then you head back to the Order hall for more missions.
- 5mans will get Diablo III-like keystones for some slightly varied runs, add this debuff here, this debuff there, redo that 10, 15, 20 times each.
- 2 starter raids. No idea when the next one will be added, nobody even knows how many there will be, I'll be truly shocked if they end up adding more than 2, for a grand total of 4.
- PvP will cancel all gear and PvE talentsm and give you base stats and PvP talents instead. You'll play without any real difference to the person who just hit level 110 even if you're in full raid gear. You're looking at FPS/MOBA type of PvP.

Unless some daily hub is added, you are looking at, optimistically speaking, 3 months before all the launch content is on farm, and then 1-2 months for the next raid tier.

It's not worth 60 bucks. That's all I'll say.

[Mryul]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yOi_4xFwxs


that's all...