Nostalrius Begins - Quality wow vanilla realm (1.12)

Here's one thing I've noticed with lots of people.

When people quit the guilds or talk about how they are going to quit people respond like "bye" or "TLDR" or whatever the case may be. Seems like no one cares that you are taking the step to quit or that noone cares that one is quitting period. This is fucking shitty ass community. The guild I was in in Nostalrius just disappeared, NOONE IN THAT GUILD GAVE A FUCK. Then in discord i said "fuck this shit, you guys don't give a crap I'm out" and everyone was like peace. Bye. Gtfo.

We call ourselves a better community, but it seems like the same sometimes. I will never be rude to someone who's struggling with balancing the game and real life to, someone who is just leaving the guild. I'll ask them why they left and see wtf went wrong. These are fucking people.... don't treat people like they are disposable retail players in LFR.

its just a video game dude. if someone quits then bye theres nothing more to it. its not like its a huge life decision

This is a very good topic for MMOs... Maybe my Nost backstory can provide some insight into it.

When I quit 2 months before the server was canned, my guild was actually offering to pay me back the 1kg that was hacked off my account just to keep me around. I wasn't disposable at all, and was begged to stay. Probably not common. You could say that part of it was because I reliably filled a role the guild struggled with since it started, and no doubt struggled more with after I quit. I was in every raid since the guild started, being 1 of only 2 Hunters to do so, with none others having stayed to date or been as reliable. But in practice, they wouldn't have preferred anyone else. A faceless replacement Hunter doing X dps in Y gear just wouldn't do. It was a decent guild and I got along with folks in it. I wasn't just damage numbers. I was known. Many of us spent time outside of raids doing other things together, mainly dungeons or BGs, sometimes even farming. But my favorite was Inferno bombing Redridge, which the Alliance probably hated House Undying for(Pay back for all the TM and Kargath ganks, I say). I had a Warlock alt I brought for this. Having Redridge locked down with 5 infernos for close to an hour(almost long enough to drop a whole new set), was the most fun I had in the guild.

My guild was no where near top raid progression on Nost, and I wouldn't have joined any higher guild over it as I easily could have done in my final months. Some even asked me to jumpship over to theirs. Better guilds also needed my class(Hunter), which turned out to be underplayed on Horde, with me being better geared or higher dps on realmstats than folks you could generally find. Countless other players of every class ditched us for a more progressed guild after milking us in MC. I however stayed until the end to the one that helped me most, which had the players I knew most. They were not a stepping stone to me as they were to others that quit, and they knew. When it was made public what happened to my account and that I was quitting, not many cared externally, but internally, I was nearly spammed in messages about it anytime I logged on. I couldn't log on any of my 5 60s without being spotted. Load screen, addon load text, and there it is, the message from Necro, Reilly, Shamiboy, Thule, Masa, etc. It was like that for a good 2 weeks. When others left after a while of being with us, it was typically asked why, and much concern went into that.

Point is maybe you should run with better people, get along with those people, and do things with those people. That's how a MMO is supposed to be played. I'd never have stayed with an elitist guild of jerks over friendly players I enjoy being with, regardless of how much further ahead they are in content. I don't regret my lack of progression. In retail, I never got past the egg room in 2 years before BC patched. On Nost, in 11 months of time, I did not get past Vael. It's a lifelong goal you see. Maybe next time, I'll get more into T2. Until my hair turns gray or starts falling out, I don't see the need to rush.

If people don't care that you're leaving something, then you simply weren't important to them, or they probably just don't care about you, in their eyes, you do not matter or affect them. You could be the entire blame for that, but so could they. Usually, I see arrogant childish behavior, which does nothing to help, and often just creates more problems or more people leaving.

Join a better guild?

You have to pick, Be a fuck boy and be ontop, or Have fun with chill people. (Some get really lucky with guilds and have both, i use to in real vanilla. 12 year old tank with a fucking Aussie guild? Get home from school and get on wow to raid was great!) It's never easy finding people that fit how you play, for me i was always trying to get poached for Nos guilds. (Tanks where common ally side. But U.S wasn't i suppose.) but loved the guild i was in even tho we got into MC and downed rag only with pugs and could never get more then like 30 people to join a raid, it was funny and these mates i could be chill with... Every time we'd do dungis or i'd help some one gear i'd say the same shit to them. "LOL YOU WANT ME TO GO PROT? Why are our healers shitters and need a crutch?!"
This is funny because even though i wouldn't go prot untill i got R11 / epic mount, i was still easyily able to tank the same shit that our other tank who had slightly more gear then me, do and threat was never a problem for myself.... I remember one ZG one of the officers was really stoned, and was like "Listen man respec for this raid and i'll pay for 20g for me" So i did, and it was such a easy ZG that the healer i leveled with just dps'd for lol's (We had like one priest in our groups which was her such a clusterfuck it was funny.) But, i mean every scholo or DM we did it was the same thing and i hepled atleast... 42? guildies get gear with dungi runs i didn't need. I always ran dungi's with the same healer so i normally had TWO Healers in dungi's The priest would just dps / MC shit and it was cake while i tanked with a 2 handed and was 2nd in dps Because mortal strike / Execute / Sweeping strikes.

Nos had such a huge Pop so people where poached alot and it was fine with that many people, but Quting is pretty big in my book i mean i'm a nerd who's been through shit, and when some one quits you may never see them again, it's sorta like "good-bye forever hope we can hang out" With guilds it can sorta be like this, one of the guys i did a ton of dungi's with while leveling and talked every few days with, as soon as he left our guild he just didn't wana do dumb shit with my crew anyone like Wpvp or dungi's for lol's etc. It sorta just how are people, Sorry for the wall of text TLTR:

Fun or being ontop, or try to find pro mates who can find the line, honestly it's just worth having fun then being the best. What's the point of being good if everyone else is a shitter compared to you, then it's just boring because the game loses flavor and everyone is a tool to your own means.

Lol did you expect them to write you a heartfelt letter? Or what did you expect? I'm genuinely curious.
They had the courtesy to say goodbye it seems?

Unless you actually offer some sort of value in the form of good banter, raid leading and sick dps etc, then you're basically just person number X to those people.
That doesn't mean you're "disposable garbage" it just means you didn't have an impact on those particular people.
Participation medals is for kids mate.

Why would they care that much about Nost dying at this point man? What the fuck are they supposed to do? Sounds to me like you cared way too much about this while they were off enjoying something else. Maybe you just needed to go.

It feels like its really down to the people you play with.

I left one of my raid guilds, or well.. one of the officers kicked me out as I said that I was going to leave and tried to be polite etc (arse).

However when in my final guild before the server shut down, if someone were leaving and or were going to stop playing, everyone asked them to stay and were offered to come back in the future etc! The whole atmosphere in the later guild were also so much better, people helped eachother and people were there when needed! even now after the server went, a few of us are still on discord daily!

I believe it comes down to how a guild is built. If you promote a helpfull and friendly spirit, the guild will be friendly and everyone becomes a piece in the puzzle! However, perhaps the hard cold guilds are needed if you want maximize progress.

Bits and pieces have already bit him from previous comments:

Types of players, mentality of the guild, setting behavioral standards early.

I've issued a farewell address on both halves of the argument. Being quick to dismiss the person, and being sad and attempting to fight for them to stay.

People I quickly dismissed were for good reason:

- Under performer in raids.
- Raid logger
- Selfish with in-game time outside of raids (not participating in guild activities or helping others)


A class leader can teach you how to "Git Gud". A raid leader can feed you gear to optimize your output. What we can't do is:

- Force you to play to your gear-ceiling level.
- Make you login for times outside of raids.
- Make you help guild members farm rep, new members pre-raid.
- Go back 20 years and teach you how to be a respectful person and a decent human being.

This is the difference. If you were not one of these types of people yet were still met with the "early exit" treatment, then those who reacted this way are simply pleased to see you go. 90% of the reason would be because you were higher up on the gear ladder in loot council or had a competitive edge in DKP. Either way is selfish.

Loosing great players is never fun, but happens more so on private servers than anywhere else, as turnover rates are typically high. Even if somebody was walking away, they didn't get the boot, a personal "Do Not Kick" ranking was established for those on extended leave with notification they would be gone. If one day their life circumstances changed or had a change of hearth of what they wanted to do during their RL free time, they always have a home to come back to.

A lot of guilds are full of douches, news at 11...
There are some nice guilds with more emotionally mature players who act like normal human beings to each other, but you have to be willing to look around.