Elysium and C&D Order

[Dythor]

To begin with, I am definitely one of those people that were happy even with the initial announcement, despite having invested a significant amount on my Kronos II character. I am also in favour of bringing the old characters back, even though I think they will prove unused and irrelevant in the end (more so as time progresses), because I do believe them to act as an important signifier for the Nostalrius band, kind of like a stamp of originality that flags the real thing. The latter is what acts a sticking glue for Nostalrius' most important virtue: its community.

That said, I remain hesitant about rolling on Elysium, even though the plan sounds good. Why? Because I have no proof in my hands whatsoever that Elysium can, and indeed will, resist a cease and desist order. As far as I know (I may be wrong), Elysium is based in both Ukraine and in France, and, again from the little that I know, these countries provide the legal framework for Blizzard to go after Elysium, should they want to. If this is true, it is, to say the least, very worrying.

So, I guess what I'm asking is, can someone (preferably Nostalrius/Elysium themselves) provide solid, indisputable evidence that this new endeavour is proof against possible legal action? I know that the Elysium people have said they would refuse to follow a C&D order on reddit, but I'd surely require more than that to invest a huge amount of time anew on Elysium.

[phyriel]

To begin with, I am definitely one of those people that were happy even with the initial announcement, despite having invested a significant amount on my Kronos II character. I am also in favour of bringing the old characters back, even though I think they will prove unused and irrelevant in the end (more so as time progresses), because I do believe them to act as an important signifier for the Nostalrius band, kind of like a stamp of originality that flags the real thing. The latter is what acts a sticking glue for Nostalrius' most important virtue: its community.

That said, I remain hesitant about rolling on Elysium, even though the plan sounds good. Why? Because I have no proof in my hands whatsoever that Elysium can, and indeed will, resist a cease and desist order. As far as I know (I may be wrong), Elysium is based in both Ukraine and in France, and, again from the little that I know, these countries provide the legal framework for Blizzard to go after Elysium, should they want to. If this is true, it is, to say the least, very worrying.

So, I guess what I'm asking is, can someone (preferably Nostalrius/Elysium themselves) provide solid, indisputable evidence that this new endeavour is proof against possible legal action? I know that the Elysium people have said they would refuse to follow a C&D order on reddit, but I'd surely require more than that to invest a huge amount of time anew on Elysium.

Thats why we get an option to restart with our old toons and even if shit hit the fan again atleast we will have some progress. Anyway your question sounds like "You are a thieves I love, can you prove it to me that police will never catch you?" Erm... No server will guarantee you that they will keep it forever when its their necks on the line, some servers chose to ignore CnD but we don't know all the behind the courtain action that followed on Nostalrius for that matter.

[Dythor]

Haha, sure, I get what you're saying, but who I'm asking is the users/people familiar with where the server is/what the French/Ukranian laws on the matter are, and how far Blizzard's hand reaches. Even a more (than a reddit comment) official assurance that there are systems in place to prevent that kind of thing from happening would do to be honest.

[Arx_1]

I heard that Project Valkyrie has had 6 C&D letters sent to them over the past 12 years or so, which they used to wipe their asses.

[Arx_1]

Also, if you don't want to play there, just don't. You won't be missed.

[Dythor]

I do not understand your tone. I do very much want to play on Elysium, as I believe do many others who are still hesitant to reinvest their time after the previous C&D development. If anything, I think that the potential Elysium community will only benefit from the developers taking a stance of proactive reassurance that nothing like Nostalrius' fate will be brought upon Elysium, no matter what.

[lolpills]

your paranoid

[Killershama]

I heard that Project Valkyrie has had 6 C&D letters sent to them over the past 12 years or so, which they used to wipe their asses.

I heard that as well.

I also heard a few things as well.. Elysium server is in Russia, and a I heard a rumor is that Russia is sick of Activision and its law cases and most of the time they are dismissed. Whether that part is true or not i am not so sure. Its what i heard.

[Pottu]

Off-topic

[Drain]

Their developer is Russian, but it's a terrible place to host a server if you want to be international. Elysium is hosted in France to solve this, using the same ISP Nost used. But both of these are great, and the letters can simply be ignored. Every server gets these letters. They ignore them and keep right on hosting. People think Nost is the only server that got one of these because it shutdown. No, every server gets these. They just ignore the things, where as Nost folded instantly, then hoped for a peaceful legal solution that took them 6 months to realize isn't ever going to happen.

I hope they finally understand now the type of people Blizzard are. We've been trying to tell them all year. Stop waiting for nothing. What happened at the Blizzcon they waited all this year for? Fuck all happened, exactly like we said would. I hope they used all this wasted time on something productive like gift wrapping the server code.